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Post by bucket415 on Nov 25, 2012 17:21:55 GMT -5
I agree 100% that the issues have gotten worse with the newer games, starting with BLOPs 1. The previous three games ran just fine. What are they changing? If nothing in the "net code" is different, then it's obviously the addition of theater and the additional stat tracking for your combat record. Now they add live streaming and what not. It's crap. I'll take a proper working game over stuff that only 5% of the players use anyway.
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Post by Marvel4 on Nov 25, 2012 17:25:40 GMT -5
No Stopping Power. Also, a lot of weapons in Black Ops II need four hits to kill at close range.
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Post by mmacola on Nov 25, 2012 17:26:47 GMT -5
I just noticed that Marvel never edits a post; he deletes the previous one.
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Post by Amirror on Nov 25, 2012 17:33:16 GMT -5
I KNOW RIGHT?
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 25, 2012 19:05:46 GMT -5
Well I've played in plenty of tdm lobbies where everyone had 4 bars and judging by gamertags, clan tags and/or gamer profiles I was able to verify they were in Southern CA which is my region, so ping times had to be low for everyone.
After the lag compensation did it's magic, there was a player on the other team in god mode. The latency advantage was so bad I couldn't even kill him as he was climbing a ladder. I was scoped in waiting for him to reach the top of the ladder he fought through half a clip of bullets and knifed me. A second incident; he was climbing a ladder and I was shooting him in the back, he made it to the top, turned and killed me. When the match ended I checked the lobby leaderboard. He had the lowest SPM and KDR (0.84).
It's business as usual now to see below average players looking like pros from time to time. Treyarch is probably trying to keep them from getting too discouraged from multiplayer.
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 25, 2012 19:08:15 GMT -5
Maybe it's "scrub compensation". LOL
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 25, 2012 19:09:49 GMT -5
Maybe it's "scrub compensation". LOL That's what I'm thinking. It sure as hell isn't solely revolving around ping times.
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Post by Indy_Bones on Nov 26, 2012 10:18:06 GMT -5
That's not a great connection lol Great - maybe not, good and perfectly stable - absolutely. It's not all about DL speed etc, what makes a good connection is relability and lack of errors whilst maintaining the best performance possible. I don't have bad ping, I don't have jitter issues, I don't have constantly changing speeds or congestion, what I do have a is a line that connects constantly at 15mb and rarely ever goes down (maybe once a month, and currently has been 19 days without change). I'm not sure what YOUR problem is with this type of connection, so maybe you could explain why you don't think it's good when the guys I know who work in the field think it's a perfectly good connection?
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Post by moyer on Nov 26, 2012 11:06:56 GMT -5
Does anyone know what happens when your connection improves or declines mid-game? Does anything change at all midgame as long as the host stays the same?
IIRC, that's how some players manipulated it on previous games. They started the game w/ a poor connection on purpose to get the "lag compensation" and then they fixed their connection and still kept the same "compensation" through the game.
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Post by asasa on Nov 26, 2012 11:17:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't say they've gotten any worse than they were in older games. Older ones just typically had worse balance issues that people could blame their deaths on. Hmm, maybe... But that hasn't convinced me. Black Ops II has me struggling soo hard connection-wise, and I've never struggled with connection in any game as bad as this ever. MW3 was kinda bad for a while after release, but current Black Ops II connection is far worse than that in my books. Yeah this is one of those generic connection-whine stories, but it has me hooked severely. I cannot understand this at all... Thats just the skill based matchmaking...
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 26, 2012 11:30:31 GMT -5
Thats just the skill based matchmaking... No, what I'm talking about is that I can put 6 shots in the guy from behind, only the last one registers and he just turns around and drops me with no trouble. Then in the killcam, I only fired 1 shot before he turns and drops me dead. I'm talking SUPER lag here. I haven't played for 4 days though, so I'm hoping things have improved since then.
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 26, 2012 16:49:10 GMT -5
That's not a great connection lol Great - maybe not, good and perfectly stable - absolutely. It's not all about DL speed etc, what makes a good connection is relability and lack of errors whilst maintaining the best performance possible. I don't have bad ping, I don't have jitter issues, I don't have constantly changing speeds or congestion, what I do have a is a line that connects constantly at 15mb and rarely ever goes down (maybe once a month, and currently has been 19 days without change). I'm not sure what YOUR problem is with this type of connection, so maybe you could explain why you don't think it's good when the guys I know who work in the field think it's a perfectly good connection? Maybe it's working against you. Try making your connection worse by lowering your MTU setting in your router. Do a test to see if there's more packet loss and/or jitter after. Then try playing online and see if you get on the better end of the lag compensation stick more often. Also, maybe try streaming a video on Netflix or downloading a large file (torrent) while playing a match.
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Post by GoHarvard on Nov 26, 2012 16:52:33 GMT -5
Thats just the skill based matchmaking... No, what I'm talking about is that I can put 6 shots in the guy from behind, only the last one registers and he just turns around and drops me with no trouble. Then in the killcam, I only fired 1 shot before he turns and drops me dead. I'm talking SUPER lag here. I haven't played for 4 days though, so I'm hoping things have improved since then. The more skilled players are also more bullet proof bro. /end sarcasm
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Post by Tyzerra on Nov 26, 2012 17:01:35 GMT -5
Today was the first time I've played for 4 days and I've been enjoying myself quite a bit. I'm not sure what or why, but something has changed and it's for the better.
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Post by asasa on Nov 26, 2012 17:22:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know what happens when your connection improves or declines mid-game? Does anything change at all midgame as long as the host stays the same? IIRC, that's how some players manipulated it on previous games. They started the game w/ a poor connection on purpose to get the "lag compensation" and then they fixed their connection and still kept the same "compensation" through the game. That is the stupidest idea I have ever heard. ffs the game isn't made my toucans. Why the hell would it work that way? I do remember reading that somewhere. Whether or not its got any validity, IDK.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 27, 2012 3:06:26 GMT -5
I accidentally started seeding torrents while host in BO1 and went on a ridiculous god mode killing spree on everyone else as they ran in place. When I realized what was going on I closed my torrent client and everything went back to normal immediately. Whatever flag that is responsible for host migration can definitely be made to fail at the client level, at least temporarily.
And BO2 absolutely has more shenanigans than previous games. I'm not talking about losing close gunfights either. I'm talking about being killed before you even realize a gunfight is going on, by enemies that take no damage when you do try to retaliate. It's not every game, but it's far more frequent than it should be. Especially with a playerbase as large as any online shooter has ever had and ostensibly customizable search settings.
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Post by Evan950 on Nov 27, 2012 7:51:24 GMT -5
Because no dedicated servers Dedis aren't necessarily a good thing. For example, in BF3, there are only dedis on north america (considering american dedis) and thus all brazillian players are in deep 200ms ping doo-doo, while in COD all we have to do is have enough players to create a local lobby you think Brazillians have it bad? at least you only have to travel upwards a short distance for america. you even get a LoL brazillian server. and we, Australians, get jack shit 200ms ping to connect to NA servers from across halfway across the globe (on LoL), and the only server that is hosted here, is runescape. so yes, dedicated servers are good, if there is one in every country.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 27, 2012 12:49:23 GMT -5
I accidentally started seeding torrents while host in BO1 and went on a ridiculous god mode killing spree on everyone else as they ran in place. Bet you had a ton of fun.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Nov 27, 2012 16:57:53 GMT -5
I'm on PS3, and I don't know what it is, but there's something wrong. The freezing is annoying, at least now it's only temporary and not forcing me to restart my console every time. But the connections are just atrocious. I have trouble finding a lobby where I'm not getting killed almost instantly by enemies. When I do, it's normally not long until there's a host change and I'm back to lobby shopping again.
I don't understand why they started handicapping the host. Yes, it used to be a nice advantage, but not an insurmountable one. Now it's such a clear disadvantage that when I realize I'm host, I back out. With the host switching, this means that everybody in the lobby now has a different connection, and some of them are going to have a worse connection now than they did before. So now they have to play with a worse connection or find new lobbies. What you really want is for people to get host and stay in the lobby for a long time, so that everyone can maintain quality connections. I'd much prefer to be able to find a lobby with a good connection and stay in it for a while, then go through the connection issues I've been having as of late.
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 27, 2012 23:22:29 GMT -5
So after more searching, I found that you can set your DNSs to:
Primary DNS - 8.8.8.8 Secondary DNS - 8.8.4.4
These are Googles servers.
This should alleviate most of your hitmarker troubles. My bullets finally land on targets, but I still sometimes get BS kills.
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Now if you want to go further...
I found that you can throttle your download bandwidth with torrents and streaming video like Netflix. I know this shouldn't be news to anyone, but I got a sweet 3.0+ K/D doing it--it was so easy to kill people. I tried throttling my upload bandwidth, but it ended up having the enemy seeing me long before I saw them.
Now I'm experimenting with my PS3 hooked up through my laptop with an ethernet cable. I downloaded Netlimiter and I can change my PS3 internet speed to any low limit I want. I'm still experimenting.
Conclusion: --Set Primary DNS to 8.8.8.8 and Secondary to 8.8.4.4. --Throttling your Download speed gives you an advantage.
P.S.: When throttling your download speed with a torrent, limit your upload speed close to nothing. It should just be your torrent download speed having free reigns.
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 28, 2012 0:40:30 GMT -5
I'm back from using Netlimiter. Sadly it doesn't work. Netlimiter creates a hard speed limit. If you reach the limit with either your upload or download, you'll start rubberbanding around and having "connection interrupted" show up.
I guess torrenting sort of congests your connection instead of creating a hard limit. I'm sure there's someone more knowledgeable that can explain this.
Anyone know a program that can congest your LAN network connection without having to download tons of movies? I'm pretty short on hard drive space, so I can't go downloading bluray movies. I don't want to have to keep going to my laptop to download TV shows and deleting them after because I download them in like 10 minutes.
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Post by blues27xx on Nov 28, 2012 2:09:13 GMT -5
It's sad how hard people will try to exploit EVERY SINGLE mechanic in the game.
Although it's also sad that this shit is effective, especially when treyarch pushed "competitiveness" and "skill" so much. The choices are either sit and headglitch with the best guns in the game or throttle your connection so you can be a second ahead of everyone just to be able to rush around and have fun.
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Post by bm01 on Nov 28, 2012 3:18:39 GMT -5
Using Netlimiter as a cheat was largely widespread on MW2 PC. Well in fact you could also kick who you want.
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 28, 2012 3:52:20 GMT -5
It's sad how hard people will try to exploit EVERY SINGLE mechanic in the game. Hey, I was in the same boat as you, but this whole lag compensation thing in Black Ops 2 pushed me to the edge to find ways to even the playing field. Guess I didn't stop and I just kept on going. Oh, and changing the Primary DNS to 8.8.8.8 helped MOST of the time, but heaven help you if the other team gets the better end of lag comp.
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Post by toad on Nov 28, 2012 3:55:43 GMT -5
Please note: Changing to Google's DNS will not make any difference to your playing experience.
Please don't just search and copy stuff you read from the Internet without understanding it.
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Post by jukebox20 on Nov 28, 2012 4:13:29 GMT -5
Hey, if by some power of a magical genie from the toilet that my rounds started to land on target because of changing the DNS, then by golly ms. holly I'm going to believe it and spread the news.
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Post by toad on Nov 28, 2012 4:39:10 GMT -5
At no point during a game will your device be contacting a DNS to obtain an IP. I guess a magical genie did come out your toilet.
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Post by bm01 on Nov 28, 2012 4:39:34 GMT -5
From what I know the DNS is just what translate a domain name into an IP, so it's probably just a placebo.
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Post by bloopdebloop on Nov 28, 2012 9:23:06 GMT -5
good day, this will probably be my only post. long time lurker and that shall probably remain so, but i felt compelled to post here regarding this issue. whatever the problem is, i absolutely do not believe that it's lag compensation.
i have been in the same boat as many of you who have been suffering (getting shot around corners, shooting first yet dying first etc) and i feel your pain. this problem alone has made the game for me the most frustrating call of duty experience ever. unplayable.
i tried the method of removing my router altogether and connecting via modem. instantly my bullets are finally registering and i'm killing again. i couldn't believe it. my precious k/d went up significantly in one night and i even managed to get my first swarm on hijacked of all maps, where you literally have no choice but to win gunfights. 59-2 on a map i despise, when beforehand i'd be lucky to go 2/1. lag comp is not the issue here, if anything it seems like host advantage still wins. i welcome host in this game.
the reason i wanted to post all this is to try to help out the people who have been struggling, reading up on all this and are thinking that throttling their connection/changing dns/qos/dmz whatever will somehow even out the playing field or turn them into a god. it will not. by all means try it but i can assure you it will not. personally, i couldn't tell you whether it was the issue of "buffer bloat" or just having a stronger connection that seemed to fix all these problems. what i can tell you however, is that i now love this game.
personal advice is to look to strengthen your connection as much as you can, not hinder it.
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Post by bucket415 on Nov 28, 2012 9:44:41 GMT -5
Changing to the fastest DNS for you, can help a bit, but the Google servers aren't always the fastest for you. You can DL a program that will check which DNS servers are fastest and by what percentage (for the likes of me I cannot think of the name) its faster than what you are currently using.
I did this for my PS3 and have seen little to no results. I have literally done everything possible to improve my latency and the problem is that I need to be doing the opposite.
I have upgraded to the highest speeds offered by my ISP. I have put my PS3 in a DMZ, opened the ports for PSN and COD. I put online gaming as the top priority in my QoS settings. I have my PS3 on a static IP and running it to the fastest DNS servers possible. I have called my ISP and asked them to do everything possible to decrease my Ping. I have an A+ signal on pingtest.net. Yet last night I tried to play for around 2 hours and I literally had to back out of 9 / 10 games. Its bullshit that we have to deal with this.
Why can't we turn off theater? Why have the connections for the last 3 CODs been the worst I have experienced in any online gaming? I think I am all done with the series. This last game is fairly good, but when the basic fundamental aspect of the game working, simply doesn't...its unplayable.
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