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Post by wwaa on Nov 14, 2013 6:51:01 GMT -5
“According to Marvel it should be a 20% decrease for SR.”
Ok, so 0.4s gets decreased to 0.32s correct? Well, I do not see such a buff, SR is fully scoped after 0.4 sec, with QD or w/out, Round lands in the middle of crosshairs approx. 0.405-0.410sec after ADS… Including “hold breath” I assume TTK for QS is 0.41 sec… IW implemented some strange behavior of SR to prevent QS, I suppose after fully scoped in you must wait approx. 0,01 sec to be able to fire accurately, There might be some issues w/ Chrome as it increases idle sway …
With QD if you fire SR 0.32s after pressing ADS button bullet lands randomly far away from crosshairs…
I’ll verify this today again, maybe my software has some bugs and results are not reliable …
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Post by qupie on Nov 14, 2013 7:39:18 GMT -5
Don't forget about the ADS delay! If testing this your soldier should not be moving! (I assume you knew that, but just in case )
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Post by wwaa on Nov 14, 2013 8:40:08 GMT -5
1. Sure, I’m not moving ofc, how long is ADS delay then? 0.01 sec I suppose… as after 0.4sec I have to wait 0.01 sec to hit the target… so TTK 0.41sec. Anyway it is strange 0.4 sec is unaffected by QD …
2. btw: This is very naïve IMO, trying to ban QS at any cost. QS and not-QS are not determined wheather scope is zoomed in or not while firing, but by process of aiming. QS: aiming is done in hip-fire mode, that is all, then some buttons pressed and target hit, what happens in between does not matter. QS cannot be banned as there must be a point when SR fires exactly at center of crosshairs (otherwise hardscoping would not work, LOL), it is 0.41 sec in Ghosts at the moment. Ok, ADS delay could be a random number (0-0.02 sec) to complicate QS, but if “hold breath” pressed idle sway might be removed ... and 0.42 sec would work everytime.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 14, 2013 10:01:08 GMT -5
Iirc ads delay takes the same amount of time as the gun's actual ads time. So in order for ARs to be benefitted from ads accuracy while moving it would take 0.6 seconds. For snipers it'd take 0.8.
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 10:03:22 GMT -5
If you guys haven't tried the LSAT with RF, grip, and a silencer... DO IT. That thing is a hoot. What the QBB shoulda been. Are you talking Ghosts or BO2 here?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 14, 2013 10:06:57 GMT -5
Ghost. I've used it and it's surprisingly accurate. Only downside being 3 attachments. Sooner or later I'll have to try it without the silencer.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 14, 2013 10:41:45 GMT -5
Have you tried the M27 compared to the LSAT? It has better range, (4b kill at long range, vs 5b)and much better accuracy. I have experimented with a few classes, most having the thermal. Thermal, Grip, and Silencer (if i use extra attach perk)
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 10:43:20 GMT -5
Isn't the extra attachment perk 3 points?
EDIT... yea.... it is, way too much for a total value of 8. Even for me who ditches lethal, tactical, and my secondary who uses 11. Hell, in BO2, it cost 3 points out of 10 and that was a lot... out of 8... crazy
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Post by noscreenname on Nov 14, 2013 10:54:02 GMT -5
I am also liking the m27 thermal but it has some recoil with the thermal without grip. I would still rather use those 4 points for lightweight and other speed perks than grip. I use the r3 flip a lot to change view. The dot is way more accurate. You can use the thermal almost like a scouter if need be and flip out.
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 10:57:35 GMT -5
I am also liking the m27 thermal but it has some recoil with the thermal without grip. I would still rather use those 4 points for lightweight and other speed perks than grip. I use the r3 flip a lot to change view. The dot is way more accurate. You can use the thermal almost like a scouter if need be and flip out. Found that too... use the variable zoom and switch between close and long combat viewing
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Post by noscreenname on Nov 14, 2013 11:00:50 GMT -5
I am also liking the m27 thermal but it has some recoil with the thermal without grip. I would still rather use those 4 points for lightweight and other speed perks than grip. I use the r3 flip a lot to change view. The dot is way more accurate. You can use the thermal almost like a scouter if need be and flip out. Found that too... use the variable zoom and switch between close and long combat viewing ...and at the same time stalker walking like a boss.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 14, 2013 11:10:26 GMT -5
M27 silencer grip with stalker
rape & pillage everyone
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 11:37:41 GMT -5
M27 silencer grip with stalker rape & pillage everyone Yep... reposting from last page... my M27 setup: M27 + silencer + VMR No lethal, secondary, or tactical (those are for wussies) Stalker, quick draw, incog, ready up, and resilience (no fall damage) EDIT: or gambler, for fun Essentially, it's a silenced AR with a 100 bullet mag
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 15:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Nov 14, 2013 15:21:20 GMT -5
That "preferred weapon" thing is retarded though. Says mine is the Bizon, despite only using it in maybe 5 games
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 14, 2013 15:49:30 GMT -5
Have you tried the M27 compared to the LSAT? It has better range, (4b kill at long range, vs 5b)and much better accuracy. I have experimented with a few classes, most having the thermal. Thermal, Grip, and Silencer (if i use extra attach perk) Hey, don't get me wrong, M27 is best pony. One of my squad members has sil/VMR and another sil/grip/therm. Best overall, best at "being an LMG". Isn't the extra attachment perk 3 points? EDIT... yea.... it is, way too much for a total value of 8. Even for me who ditches lethal, tactical, and my secondary who uses 11. Hell, in BO2, it cost 3 points out of 10 and that was a lot... out of 8... crazy A 3 attachment primary in BO2 cost 5/10 points total, and those were common as hell. In BO2 it costs 4/12... so its's actually CHEAPER. Granted attachments aren't as strong as BO2. Besides, all you REALLY need on an LMG is Stalker. I use my RF/grip/silent LSAT with QD, Stalker, and Agility (for faster Stalkering). Specialist with RU, SA, SoH, and Scav. This is by no means a "try hard" setup. It's more fun n' gun. It's REALLY good at short-midrange, but like 3055 said it IS surprisingly accurate at range (or distance). Also don't forget, prone=LAZOR. This setup works great for modes like KC and Cranked. Just wait till the 3attch perk opens up (lvl46), and give it a try. I doubt anyone will regret the points spent.
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Post by markopolo on Nov 14, 2013 16:13:57 GMT -5
Have you tried the M27 compared to the LSAT? It has better range, (4b kill at long range, vs 5b)and much better accuracy. I have experimented with a few classes, most having the thermal. Thermal, Grip, and Silencer (if i use extra attach perk) Hey, don't get me wrong, M27 is best pony. One of my squad members has sil/VMR and another sil/grip/therm. Best overall, best at "being an LMG". Isn't the extra attachment perk 3 points? EDIT... yea.... it is, way too much for a total value of 8. Even for me who ditches lethal, tactical, and my secondary who uses 11. Hell, in BO2, it cost 3 points out of 10 and that was a lot... out of 8... crazy A 3 attachment primary in BO2 cost 5/10 points total. In BO2 it costs 4/12... so its's actually CHEAPER. Granted attachments aren't as strong as BO2. Besides, all you REALLY need on an LMG is Stalker. I use my RF/grip/silent LSAT with QD, Stalker, and Agility (for faster Stalkering). Specialist with RU, SA, SoH, and Scav. This is by no means a "try hard" setup. It's more for fun n' gun. It's REALLY good at short-midrange, but like 3055 said it IS surprisingly accurate. Also don't forget prone=lazor. Works great for modes like KC and Cranked. Just wait till the 3attch perk opens up (lvl46), and give it a try. I doubt anyone will regret the points spent. 4 out of 11 (you only get 12 if you give up your primary, so why get a 3rd attachment for a primary that you gave up) But I getcha... and yea, I'll try it once I unlock it
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Post by -3055- on Nov 14, 2013 16:15:24 GMT -5
its fun
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Nov 14, 2013 16:19:44 GMT -5
4 out of 11 (you only get 12 if you give up your primary, so why get a 3rd attachment for a primary that you gave up) Well, if you wanna look at it like that, then it's 3/11. You can't count the cost of the primary and NOT count it in the point total. And BO2 is a "Pick-9"
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Post by Usagi on Nov 14, 2013 21:00:41 GMT -5
Damn, Trademark is the first to max prestige again? Jesus, take a shower.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 14, 2013 21:21:55 GMT -5
You don't need a water shower when you can get a squad point shower.
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Post by noscreenname on Nov 14, 2013 22:35:42 GMT -5
You don't need a water shower when you can get a squad point shower. 4-1/2 days played after the game had been out only 8. 12+ hours a day. That is dedication. 3k/d though, iw5k?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 15, 2013 1:04:17 GMT -5
Seriously. I'm first prestige and I thought I was making good progress, shit. Making me look like a christmas noob.
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Post by Wonder Showzen on Nov 15, 2013 2:14:36 GMT -5
I started playing Ghosts and settled into playing with M27 Silenced, VMR. Awesome accuracy. Silencer is a must-have in CoD these days. But I found I was losing upclose fights to often, even when i had the jump on the other person. So I switched to:
MTARX, Silencer, VMR. The VMR is just a gosh darn golly gee whiz go sight. I get free RDS with it. The 4x-sight lets me get ranged kills that I would never get with iron-sights or RDS(I can kill occasional people most of the way across Stonehaven). MTARX wins most hip-fire fights without the need for Rapidfire, and does so at a decent hip-fire range. I experimented with Rapidfire and Grip, but returned to Silencer/VMR. Great gun/attachments. The VMR is so good, I am going to test it out on other SMGs to see if I can optimize my range, and still be brutal up close.
Bulldog, Muzzlebreak, Extended Mags is brutal up close. Nothing kills faster in a 10-20ft range. You can fire it as fast as you can spam the trigger.
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Post by exxtrooper on Nov 15, 2013 2:31:40 GMT -5
Bulldog, Muzzlebreak, Extended Mags is brutal up close. Nothing kills faster in a 10-20ft range. You can fire it as fast as you can spam the trigger. I'm pretty sure a wide range of people are able press the trigger faster than 300 RPM, mister hutch fanboi.
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Post by Wonder Showzen on Nov 15, 2013 2:39:19 GMT -5
The ARX just looks like a bad SMG to me. I haven't used it much though. The ARX is a great if you think of it as a shotgun. Highly recommended as a shotgun, for people that want more range then the actual shotguns. But don't EVER use it as a medium to long range gun. But Bulldog is still the best shotgun, if you stick to close-range encounters.
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Post by Mr Zenday on Nov 15, 2013 2:46:31 GMT -5
No real downside getting the silencer on every weapon when everybody is using it. By the way, you must use the 3-burst on the ARX to be effective at medium range, long range.
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Post by Wonder Showzen on Nov 15, 2013 2:49:17 GMT -5
Bulldog, Muzzlebreak, Extended Mags is brutal up close. Nothing kills faster in a 10-20ft range. You can fire it as fast as you can spam the trigger. I'm pretty sure a wide range of people are able press the trigger faster than 300 RPM, mister hutch fanboi. Explain please.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 15, 2013 8:20:08 GMT -5
Bulldog, Muzzlebreak, Extended Mags is brutal up close. Nothing kills faster in a 10-20ft range. You can fire it as fast as you can spam the trigger. I'm pretty sure a wide range of people are able press the trigger faster than 300 RPM, mister hutch fanboi. Bulldog max RPM is 480. And it's SIR hutch fanboi to you. Know your place.
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Post by markopolo on Nov 15, 2013 11:49:52 GMT -5
Seriously. I'm first prestige and I thought I was making good progress, shit. Making me look like a christmas noob. Dumb question.... but why prestige? Is it to get create a class slots for free, instead of buying them with squad points? In other COD games, the benefit to prestiging was obvious (other than emblems, camos, etc) But in Ghosts, I really can't think of why I'd want to prestige. No real downside getting the silencer on every weapon when everybody is using it. By the way, you must use the 3-burst on the ARX to be effective at medium range, long range. To be honest, I find that the silencer on some guns just sodomizes it's range and damage... I picked up a nekkid FAD and did well with it, but I picked up a silenced FAD and I wondered if I was using the same gun.
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