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Post by Lexapro on Nov 21, 2013 5:44:48 GMT -5
With burst fire every 2 body Shots at long range drops 1 bullet from btk. So max is 6 and min is 4 if every shot is a body shot. I would say it's probably on average a 5btk at that range. So, not really better or worse than the MSBS. Muzzle break helps but ideally you're not engaging too much past that distance.
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Post by Marvel4 on Nov 21, 2013 8:58:14 GMT -5
Not sure about this, depends on how CoD handles damage rounding. You can't deal fractions of damage, it always rounds down.
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Post by blindfire on Nov 21, 2013 9:56:43 GMT -5
After some calculations, I realize that burst fire is only worth on the SA and AK. Both have roughly the same 2 shot kill range than the MSBS if one bullet hits the torso, and one less shot at long distance even if no bullet hits. The FAD needs 3 shots at point blank, and the rest of rifles needs two torso hits or more to be any better than the MSBS at long range.
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Post by angrybeast96 on Nov 21, 2013 10:10:15 GMT -5
The FAD needs 3 shots at point blank No, 34 * 1.5 = 51, right? Seems like it should be a 2HK.
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Post by hyperion on Nov 21, 2013 10:20:07 GMT -5
The FAD needs 3 shots at point blank No, 34 * 1.5 = 51, right? Seems like it should be a 2HK. If you go by symthic's numbers that 2hk is only out to 16m. At range you're doing 25 and with multiplier bringing that to 37. So 3hk past 16m.
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Post by qupie on Nov 21, 2013 10:26:42 GMT -5
After some calculations, I realize that burst fire is only worth on the SA and AK. Both have roughly the same 2 shot kill range than the MSBS if one bullet hits the torso, and one less shot at long distance even if no bullet hits. The FAD needs 3 shots at point blank, and the rest of rifles needs two torso hits or more to be any better than the MSBS at long range. Please recalculate.... AK is a bad gun to use it on IMHO, long range it has almost no influence on damage, and the AK is a bad gun to burst fire with to begin with (increased kick after first round) FAD needs 2 body shots on short range, as pointed out earlier. And only 3 at range, making it far more favorable than the MSBS on long range (in theory) I am kinda puzzled by the last part of your message.... ALL AR with semi auto attachment will be better than the MSBS on long range damage wise, purely because they have the same minimum damage or higher, while having a option to reduce btk with torso shots. And to be honest, how often do you hit 4 times on long range without hitting the torso twice? Except for maybe the Remington and ARx, but I think it will still be better.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 21, 2013 10:44:59 GMT -5
FAD with burst and grip is fucking amazing. The accuracy feels better than the MSBS and the irons are great.
I'll take the FAD burst over MSBS burst any day.
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Post by hyperion on Nov 21, 2013 10:46:37 GMT -5
FAD with burst and grip is Foxtroting amazing. The accuracy feels better than the MSBS and the irons are great. I'll take the FAD burst over MSBS burst any day. Have you tried burst on the ARX, its rather nice.
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Post by herts_joatmon on Nov 21, 2013 11:26:15 GMT -5
FAD with burst and grip is Foxtroting amazing. The accuracy feels better than the MSBS and the irons are great. I'll take the FAD burst over MSBS burst any day. Im guessing the extra bullet required over the MSBS isnt an issue at short ranges unless you are wildly hipfiring. If the kick is better then it seems like it would be an idea burst gun for me. I'll give it a shot over the weekend. Not been impressed with the MSBS. While its instakill close up i find I would have won in most of those situations anyway with a full auto. Hate it at medium to long range though. I ADS most of the time so im sure I can get the 3 on target close up and tend to double tap anyway with burst guns.
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Post by blindfire on Nov 21, 2013 11:42:39 GMT -5
FAD needs 2 body shots on short range, as pointed out earlier. And only 3 at range, making it far more favorable than the MSBS on long range (in theory) ... I am kinda puzzled by the last part of your message.... ALL AR with semi auto attachment will be better than the MSBS on long range damage wise, purely because they have the same minimum damage or higher, while having a option to reduce btk with torso shots. And to be honest, how often do you hit 4 times on long range without hitting the torso twice? My bad, FAD is a two or three shot kill if two bullets hits the torso. In practice it seems quite difficult to do so. I should try with the grip. Most AR will be a bit better than the MSBS, but you always need two bursts. The only ones which can kill in one burst at long range are the AK and SA. Don't forget that you are losing an attachment slot and getting worse spread. In this game of awful irons and must-have silencer, attachment slots are precious....
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Post by -3055- on Nov 21, 2013 12:04:36 GMT -5
No the fad becomes a 2sk with burst at close range. And a 3sk at long range.
That gun was made for bursting.
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Post by blindfire on Nov 21, 2013 12:32:16 GMT -5
No the fad becomes a 2sk with burst at close range. And a 3sk at long range. It's a bit more complicated: If only one shot hits torso, neck or head at short range: 34 * 1.5 + 34 = 85 damage -> 3 shot kill The same happens at long range: 25 * 1.5 + 25 + 25 = 87 damage -> 4 shot kill
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Post by hyperion on Nov 21, 2013 13:36:56 GMT -5
No the fad becomes a 2sk with burst at close range. And a 3sk at long range. It's a bit more complicated: If only one shot hits torso, neck or head at short range: 34 * 1.5 + 34 = 85 damage -> 3 shot kill The same happens at long range: 25 * 1.5 + 25 + 25 = 87 damage -> 4 shot kill Where are you getting the extra 34 damage from?
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 21, 2013 14:08:03 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what configuration do you think's better for the Honey Badger, semi-auto or burst?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 21, 2013 14:17:24 GMT -5
The vast vast majority of my shots are to the torso. So I ain't even worried.
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Post by blindfire on Nov 21, 2013 14:25:41 GMT -5
Where are you getting the extra 34 damage from? From the regular hit (rest of the body) A table is worth a thousand posts Damage | 1 hit torso 1 hit body | 2 hits torso | 40 | 40*1.5+40=100 | > 100 | 34 | 34*1.5+34=85 | 2*34*1.5=102 |
Damage | 1 hit torso 2 hits body | 2 hits torso 1 hit body | 2 hits torso 2 hits body | 25 | 25*1.5+25*2=87 | 2*25*1.5+25=100 | >100 | 20 | 20*1.5+20*2=70 | 2*20*1.5+20=80 | 2*20*1.5+20*2=100
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Post by hyperion on Nov 21, 2013 15:06:58 GMT -5
Where are you getting the extra 34 damage from? From the regular hit (rest of the body) A table is worth a thousand posts Damage | 1 hit torso 1 hit body | 2 hits torso | 40 | 40*1.5+40=100 | > 100 | 34 | 34*1.5+34=85 | 2*34*1.5=102 |
Damage | 1 hit torso 2 hits body | 2 hits torso 1 hit body | 2 hits torso 2 hits body | 25 | 25*1.5+25*2=87 | 2*25*1.5+25=100 | >100 | 20 | 20*1.5+20*2=70 | 2*20*1.5+20=80 | 2*20*1.5+20*2=100
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Those damages arent absolute unless the shots connect which doesnt always happen with burst. So its the damage*multiplier per bullet. Im guessing the added damage you have after that is another bullet since you cant add the damage of one twice. So if all three shots from a 30 damage rifle connect with multiplier thats 45*3 for 135 total damage.
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Post by Judge_St3vo on Nov 21, 2013 18:03:27 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, what configuration do you think's better for the Honey Badger, semi-auto or burst? I think the Honey Badger semi-auto. Overall RPM with burst fire is way too slow.
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Post by arcanine2009 on Nov 21, 2013 22:49:37 GMT -5
Too bad IW didn't make the burst mode toggle with a gun's original fire mode. They would have perfected Treyarch's select fire attachment easily.
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 24, 2013 19:32:36 GMT -5
well at least the fire rate modifications aren't totally useless in this game like they were in BO2. I was really hoping the MSBS would be changed from a 2-5 to a 3-4 but if all the other ARs can be 2HKs in burst mode I can't see IW making that change... so I guess we just have to live with the 2nd coming of the Type 95 for another year -.-
I don't really see the point of including HC mode when all the guns kill in the blink of an eye in core mode...
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Post by -3055- on Dec 3, 2013 20:14:41 GMT -5
And is a 3 bullet kill at point blank range, Wrong. It's a 2 shot kill. and the recoil reduction does not seem to work, Burst fire doesn't decrease recoil. It increases it by a good amount. If you're talking about the reduced recoil for first 8 shots thing on the FAD it's still in effect.
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Post by banana on Dec 8, 2013 21:31:52 GMT -5
So is it generally accepted that fad burst > every possible burst including msbs and honey badger semi > every possible semi including the marksman rifles
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Post by gambler on Dec 8, 2013 22:12:57 GMT -5
I find it sad that the honeybadger outclasses marksmen rifles with a semi attachment. I love semi-autos
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 8, 2013 22:40:38 GMT -5
I'll take the MR-28 over an AR with Semi-Auto any day and don't see how the MSBS isn't better than any AR with burst-fire. Only the FAD seems to worth bothering with in burst-fire mode... and yeah, not being able to toggle fire modes really kills the attachment for me overall.
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Post by Nintendon't on Dec 9, 2013 0:59:54 GMT -5
I'll take the MR-28 over an AR with Semi-Auto any day and don't see how the MSBS isn't better than any AR with burst-fire. Only the FAD seems to worth bothering with in burst-fire mode... and yeah, not being able to toggle fire modes really kills the attachment for me overall. Your name looks super weird spaced out.
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Post by Zero IX on Dec 9, 2013 3:11:45 GMT -5
I'll take the MR-28 over an AR with Semi-Auto any day and don't see how the MSBS isn't better than any AR with burst-fire. Only the FAD seems to worth bothering with in burst-fire mode... and yeah, not being able to toggle fire modes really kills the attachment for me overall. Your name looks super weird spaced out. but it has been spaced out since Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:31 PM
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Post by rileysuperdog on Dec 9, 2013 9:04:20 GMT -5
Looks to me as if the ARX is the best for burst fire by a mile, the 2sk range is comparable to the MSBS and much better than FAD. It shoots faster 900 rpm (so does the FAD) to MSBS and all other AR's 720 RPM. But it beats the FAD in its stronger recoil reduction and more importantly in the hip spread reduction negating another side effect of the attachment. Plus another advantage is the higher starting damage means you only need one body shot to get your 2sk which the FAD doesn't have. The only downside is the BTK at long range is just awful but honestly I don't get into many gun fights where im past the 2sk range, especially with the muzzle brake.
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Post by banana on Dec 10, 2013 22:34:18 GMT -5
Tried out the arx with burst and grip. And driftor thought the msbs was op
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Post by Marvel4 on Dec 13, 2013 15:59:35 GMT -5
Updated.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 13, 2013 17:08:50 GMT -5
Now with MSBS nerfed, I assume that ARX is the king in the burst world, mainly for its longer 2HK range and faster fire rate?
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