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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 14:33:20 GMT -5
Hi everyone.
My friend has a 3.78 K/D (we believe he could get it up to 4 if he really stuck with it) and we always joke that he might be one of the best in the world. Then it occured to me to ask you guys if someone with that high of a K/D is indeed one of the top players.
He does NOT boost/cheat. He does not play with a Clan. He plays TDM and Domination. When he plays Domination he is admittedly not the MOST aggressive for the flags, but who the hell wouldn't want someone with a 3.78 K/D on their team? He gets a crapload of chopper gunners. I watch him play a lot, and he does not camp, but he is quite cautious.
I know it isn't as simple as "High K/D = High Skill." But 3.78!
He doesn't know I'm asking this lol, but I thought this would be a good place to ask. Would he need to make videos for ya'll to judge?
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Post by chyros on Jul 10, 2010 15:32:33 GMT -5
Slightly under 4 is never bad. It is global, or after X matches with X < total? Also, what loadout does he use?
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Post by qupie on Jul 10, 2010 15:50:43 GMT -5
One question, is he otten the host?
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Post by snakex on Jul 10, 2010 16:09:46 GMT -5
other question.
plays he alone or with teams and camp he often.
or make he challenges/prestige or used only one weapon the whole time?
like me, that collect all challenges and used other underrated guns for fun, get a lower k/d
so k/d don't means everything
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Post by mdnl on Jul 10, 2010 16:09:59 GMT -5
Youtube 77Joshmac, he's one of the best in the world IMO. Think hes ranked in the top 100 on GB.
Xcalizorz is also just a beast but he doesn't play competitive so you can't rate him on the world but he just destroys the game.
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Post by snakex on Jul 10, 2010 16:29:52 GMT -5
don't see any special about him
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Post by scorp on Jul 10, 2010 16:47:29 GMT -5
The question is does he XM/Dashboard? IDK if you count that as cheating but it definitely is. All the guys I've seen that have a high amount of kills with a high KDR dashboard.
TBH getting a 3-4 KDR isn't anything special in MW2 unless it's his first account...which still isn't that amazing.
If I really wanted to I could fairly easily hold a 3-4 up into the deep thousands by abusing airsupport/play super cautiously in FFA...I have a 5.68 on my camper account however it only has about 900 kills.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 17:50:37 GMT -5
I'll answer questions first:
His loadout that he uses for pretty much every game no matter the type is --
Scar H - Extended Mags
Spas - Extended Mags
Claymore w/ Stuns
Scavenger Pro
Stopping Power Pro
Ninja Pro
He plays alone, as in not with any parties or clans.
He doesn't Dashboard or XM. That would effect W/L anyway, not K/D. But he doesn't (I know all of this becuase I watch him play a LOT.) And he records his gameplay.
I don't know if he's often the host or not... his internet doesn't seem like anything special.
He only has 1 account. So yes everything he's done on COD MW2 = 3.78 (at the moment.)
He doesn't camp. He actually was able to get to 3 just using Silenced UMP Cold Blooded, which I thought was pretty cool (but then he switched to AR to really make a push for 4.)
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Post by qupie on Jul 10, 2010 18:04:48 GMT -5
he uses one of the best guns in the game
he camps at least abit, because he uses claymores
and you didnt mention him lagging allot (dont know if he does?)
what killstreaks does he use?
does he have the map pack?
he must be a decent gamer, but I doubt he is one of the best in the world...
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 18:11:06 GMT -5
He doesn't have map pack he plays on PSN so he doesn't have the newest one.
Yeah not sure if he lags a lot. When I watch sometimes he gets matches that lag but usually it chooses a new host when that happens.
He uses the Pred. Harrier. Chop Gunner.
I wish IW put a "K/D Sort" option, where u could exclude ridiculous ones like 100:1 which were obv. hacked.
Yeah we're just trying to figure out where he stands. Obv. i'm biased cuz i'm his friend.
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Post by mdnl on Jul 10, 2010 18:14:24 GMT -5
He's probably not even in the top 100 tbh with you mate, literally millions of people play this game.
A good gamer I have no doubt but I wouldn't get his hopes up about being the best or near it.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 18:18:52 GMT -5
I guess "Best In the World" was too general a statement. I wasn't expecting that ppl would say he's in top 100.
How many ppl actually play the game anyway? A lot of it depends on that.
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Post by mdnl on Jul 10, 2010 18:42:46 GMT -5
Like I said, between 360, PS3 and PC, literally millions of people play this game online and tens of millions own the game.
Your friend is probably great at the game but I wouldn't imagine he's in the top 10% based on how many people play this game.
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Post by qupie on Jul 10, 2010 19:14:35 GMT -5
top 10%, yeah he is mdnl!! dont think 1 out of 10 has a 4 k/d...
I guess he is within the top 1-3%, but not further then that
77Joshmac only plays cod4?
and Xcalizorz camps towards his pavelows while he doesnt give a shit about the objectives. (didnt cap one whole game) I only saw one game, so I might be wrong, but this is not as rapetastic as I suspected... waiting for peaple to come for you, and only flanking flanking and running past flags (so ppl dont think you are there, because you would have capped the flag) is pretty cheap, especially if your team loses in the end, no matter how many kills you had.
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Post by chyros on Jul 10, 2010 19:19:46 GMT -5
I knew all I needed to know after "SCAR-H Extended Mags".
Not among the best players in the world.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 19:35:03 GMT -5
thx qupie, lol. But I actually would go further than that.
IF we would go strictly by K/D, just take a look at the people next to you on the leaderboards. Now scroll through them. Keep in mind that each page is 17 players... I had to scroll through 74 different pages until I saw someone who had a higher one (3.94.)
I don't play as often as most of you probably. I have 8,000 or so kills, and the more kills you have, the more kills everyone around you has, the more playing time they have, chances are the higher K/D they will have. So for those of you who have more kills than me, you will probably find someone quicker than that. However we all have far more than the average COD player...so it would actually take the average person longer to find someone with that K/D.
Now I know that was just one case and some people may find someone with a 3.78+ K/D after flipping through a couple of pages. But I said what I said to just give a more realistic impression of what MW2 Players are really like. Most people on these Den kirson forums are good players so they forget how shitty other ppl's stats can be.
So, my point is. I would say he's not just within the top 1% but EASILY within the top .08% (according the numbers in my case, which are tougher on him than normally because the people around me on the leaderboards are better than most people (because I have more kills than most people.)
That's my case, at least.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 19:41:59 GMT -5
I knew all I needed to know after "SCAR-H Extended Mags". Not among the best players in the world. What guns do the best players in the world use? Probably the guns that they have the most success with. |
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Post by qupie on Jul 10, 2010 19:48:18 GMT -5
dont forget he uses his optimal setup! and he has not a really bad connection! there are allot of players who would rape aswell if they had decent connection and only used their fav. gun! so dont go to easy to that 0.8%  . I have a 1.8 K/D, but I have doo-dooty internet, students home with 20 ppl on one connection, always nat type moderate or strict. I use every gun in the game, have at least 1000 with all (including secondairies ex. launcers) and 2500 with every AR and SMG. A friend of mine has a 2.5 KD, but he has a decent connection and only uses decent guns (UMP,SCAR, ACR, FAMAS etc). but when we are on one xbox I easily own his ass.... even though he has a K/D ratio of 0.75 higher then me. so there are ALLOT of things that are pretty important too. oh, and one other thing: I really think players on PSN are the least competitive. I am on xbox, and a friend of mine has a PS. I gamed a few games on his console and had like 75 kills in 3 team death matches, with only like 5 deaths, even though I wasn't used to the controller... to show how much influence connection can have, I played two days with eastern, there was nobody home so I had the internet connection for myself. and I had at least one AC130 every game. I started to write down my KD on those days, and I had over 3.0! there are really to many things in this game that can influence it. allot of ppl dont know how this game works, and wich setups are best. that is damn allot of advantage too with all those things together, I really dont know if he is actually above those 3% ( I think most ppl on this board are above 10% at least btw) |
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Post by Dissentia on Jul 10, 2010 19:51:17 GMT -5
K/D in pubs as a benchmark for "best'? That's just nonsense.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 19:57:03 GMT -5
Interesting points. He probably does have better connection than most people. He used to experiment with guns - he doesn't anymore though. He definitely tries VERY VERY hard to get that K/D up, where as a lot of other players kinda mess around with stuff. I def. wasn't accounting for that. And actually those guns you mentioned are LITERALLY the only ones he says he's used.
As for the PSN vs. X-BOX Live...who knows, lol. A little off topic but has anyone noticed that X-Box controllers seem a lot more sluggish than PS3 controllers in COD? It's like there's a brief pause when you try to move the X-BOX analog stick....and THEN it moves.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 20:00:35 GMT -5
K/D in pubs as a benchmark for "best'? That's just nonsense. Obviously if he played pro he would have a lower ratio. But imagine if the best players on the ladders were to play in the pubs, what K/D's would you imagine that they have? |
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Post by vardinator on Jul 10, 2010 21:17:20 GMT -5
K/D in pubs as a benchmark for "best'? That's just nonsense. Obviously if he played pro he would have a lower ratio. But imagine if the best players on the ladders were to play in the pubs, what K/D's would you imagine that they have? Less than one. Noobtubes and Commando, buddy. |
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Post by thefuzzychickensz on Jul 10, 2010 22:02:50 GMT -5
Most legitimate players use a silencer and Ninja.
So, I would imagine approximately one, maybe less. ;P
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Post by niteshadex on Jul 10, 2010 23:41:04 GMT -5
Alright boys, the one real question that needs to be asked.
Whats his internet and connection speeds? Odds are he's good, but lots of people are. Thing is good, and being able to reliably host matches gives you a huge advantage. My guess is his upload speed is pretty dang good. If he uploads to youtube a lot, (which it seems like he does, given what you've said) he's most likely paying for good UL speed, and therefore, hopefully, will have a better chance of being host.
Host advantage>Skill.
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Post by sportsfreaklgg on Jul 10, 2010 23:47:18 GMT -5
Alright boys, the one real question that needs to be asked. Whats his internet and connection speeds? Odds are he's good, but lots of people are. Thing is good, and being able to reliably host matches gives you a huge advantage. My guess is his upload speed is pretty dang good. If he uploads to youtube a lot, (which it seems like he does, given what you've said) he's most likely paying for good UL speed, and therefore, hopefully, will have a better chance of being host. Host advantage>Skill. I'll find this out from him ASAP. I can def. see how good connection would help, although nobody really knows for sure to what degree. He whoops our asses whenever we play offline, but it's not like we track stats for offline and its just different... |
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Post by dconnorz on Jul 11, 2010 0:55:50 GMT -5
Thing is good, and being able to reliably host matches gives you a huge advantage. My guess is his upload speed is pretty dang good. If he uploads to youtube a lot, (which it seems like he does, given what you've said) he's most likely paying for good UL speed, and therefore, hopefully, will have a better chance of being host. On xbox 360, this is not the case. The player with the worst connection, or the only possible connection becomes the host. When describing "only possible", other players cannot communicate to each other but can communicate to the host. This is also why the worst connection usually hosts the match. A good example of this being, if you want to force host, you can emulate lagging out of matchmaking, by every time matchmaking fails to find <50ms and beings searching for <65ms, backout and reenter the matchmaking playlist. repeat approximately 4 times and you will become host. |
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Post by niteshadex on Jul 11, 2010 1:47:27 GMT -5
I'll find this out from him ASAP. I can def. see how good connection would help, although nobody really knows for sure to what degree. He whoops our asses whenever we play offline, but it's not like we track stats for offline and its just different... Again, offline or splitscreen there is no lag, as data travels near instantly with zero interruption. Since you are all on an even playing field, naturally the best player will shine the brightest. This situation never occurs online due to netcode and P2P hosting, so those with the best connection etc etc. |
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Post by mdnl on Jul 11, 2010 5:33:03 GMT -5
top 10%, yeah he is mdnl!! dont think 1 out of 10 has a 4 k/d... I guess he is within the top 1-3%, but not further then that 77Joshmac only plays cod4? and Xcalizorz camps towards his pavelows while he doesnt give a doo-doo about the objectives. (didnt cap one whole game) I only saw one game, so I might be wrong, but this is not as rapetastic as I suspected... waiting for peaple to come for you, and only flanking flanking and running past flags (so ppl dont think you are there, because you would have capped the flag) is pretty cheap, especially if your team loses in the end, no matter how many kills you had. 77JM only uploads COD4 right now yeah, he's a really solid player IMO. Xcal, you gotta watch a lot of his vids to get a taste of it, he beasts so bad, I'll link you to one of his most beast rounds. Link@quipie I have accounts with 5 and 6 KD does that put me within the top 1%? |
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Post by qupie on Jul 11, 2010 6:06:41 GMT -5
an extra uber campy acount doesnt, but if it is just a regular acount, with a few prestiges. yeah it does.
top 1% only means you are the best player of 100 players... that is the best player of 9 lobbies...
that is not that hard...
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Post by chyros on Jul 11, 2010 6:10:59 GMT -5
I knew all I needed to know after "SCAR-H Extended Mags". Not among the best players in the world. What guns do the best players in the world use? Probably the guns that they have the most success with. If he were really really really good, he'd NEVER put xmags on. |
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