BlOps chart, JA2 1.13 style

[Ishbane]

Update:

• Removed Colt M1911 dual wield recoil pattern, thanks Donald!

The idea came to me while playing JA2 1.13, since it's stats emit the same charme as Den's pixel arts.

Thanks for all those charts making me contemplate my setups for nights until defaulting to H&K gear (No Compromise!).

You are my bro, bro.

[fazzmania]

Nifty

[acidsnow]

Well done, I was looking at den's chart lastnight for a while analyzing the weapons, and I didn't take notice to most of the nuances that you've highlighted in pink. This is a welcome upgrade.

[adree]

Thanks for doing this!

[anonic]

I really love your changes, and I think the attachments are well done. Did you do the pixel art for them yourself? Sending a link to this to all my Black Ops friends.

[Ishbane]

Did some pixel a few years ago, google me.

Check out Den's latest changes: denkirson.xanga.com/weblog
Guess these are now incompatible, oh well.

Next I'll add miniatures of each gun instead of generic icons.

[adree]

Nov 14, 2010 22:50:28 GMT -5 Ishbane said:

Added attachments, appears more cluttered now. Is it still readable?

That is a thing of beauty, someone print it out and laminate it and we'll be in business.

[whoknows10]

Its practically perfect, only a few minor suggestions:
Color code the attachments to coincide with the change in damage, i.e. silencer is green to show the reduction in damage

Change the IR icon to a scope with IR in the scope, if you can fit it

[holdbrillan]

Wait... the spectre can use thermal/IR? lol

[Ishbane]

Added grip values, thx Den!
Edit: And snub nose.

[ecomni]

I noticed that the raise time for Dual Wield Pythons is considerable slower than just a single Python (stupid Treyarch with their "balancing" mumbo-jumbo).

So, what exactly is the raise time for DW Pythons? And can that get a nifty spot on this colorful chart?

[muffintopx5]

Minor edit, it looks like you gave the L96 a magenta coloring on the headshot to highlight its difference but all snipers have 1.5 headshot multiplier.

[Ishbane]

What you wrote is right, but think again why i could have possibly marked it.

Edit: Added Hipspread, check out the Makarov.

You might want to correct your's, Den, namely the MPL, Kiparis and Stoner 63.

[muffintopx5]

I honestly have no idea why the headshot multiplier should be colored magenta.

If anything the abdomen 1.1 of the PSG should be magenta and the 1.5 of the L96 should be magenta to hilight those differences.

Help me out here! LOL.


EDIT:

DING DING DING Winner winner chicken dinner! I just realized the L94 has shoulders for headshot as well.

[ntb]

Why does the Stoner63 have 2 different ads values? I'm pretty sure it doesn't ads any quicker than the other LMGs.

Same thing for the ARs, what does the 0.35 ADS value represent?

[Ishbane]

The files don't lie, the Stoner 63 takes 0.25 seconds to aim down the sights.

The second (dark red) values apply to the acog.

[holdbrillan]

The chart still lists spectre as having Thermal/IR attachment

[Ishbane]

Fixed Spectre, added center speed values for various attachments.

Worth noting: Kiparis, M16, Dragunov, CZ 75.

[novanleon]

Perhaps I'm just new to this but I think it would be useful if you included a key to explain what each of the values are.

I see the yellow "1000" for the Dragunov and the yellow icon for what I think is the thermal scope, but I'm not sure what it signifies.

[sleep]

this is a thing of beauty. thanks! and thanks again to den for putting together the original.

[mrboo2501]

Nov 17, 2010 13:45:16 GMT -5 novanleon said:

Perhaps I'm just new to this but I think it would be useful if you included a key to explain what each of the values are.

I see the yellow "1000" for the Dragunov and the yellow icon for what I think is the thermal scope, but I'm not sure what it signifies.

Agree with your point on a legend. Decoding the Dragunov, you see three values in the Center Speed box: 500 on the left, 1000 on the upper right, and 1000 on the bottom right. I believe values on the left (in this case being 500) is always the native Center Speed (naked gun). All values on the right indicate new Center Speeds based on attachment, as associated through color.

@ Ishbane: I have one nitpick suggestion - I think you try to highlight interesting points through color as well. For instance, MP5's Center Speed is highlighted in color just because the 1700 value is noteworthy. I'd prefer you don't highlight significant values in this way since highlighted values are also used for attachment association. It's kinda like color overload. Note, this is coming from a color blind person, so please feel free to disregard - I admit this is a nitpick.

Edit: Forgot to say Thank You

[Ishbane]

Added all IRs, check out the AUG and M16.

Explanations for all stats can be found at denkirson.xanga.com/735016527/black-ops/

[anonic]

Great, now I am going to try putting an IR scope on my M16. Should be entertaining, at least.

[novanleon]

Nov 17, 2010 14:20:48 GMT -5 mrboo2501 said:

Nov 17, 2010 13:45:16 GMT -5 novanleon said:

Perhaps I'm just new to this but I think it would be useful if you included a key to explain what each of the values are.

I see the yellow "1000" for the Dragunov and the yellow icon for what I think is the thermal scope, but I'm not sure what it signifies.

Agree with your point on a legend. Decoding the Dragunov, you see three values in the Center Speed box: 500 on the left, 1000 on the upper right, and 1000 on the bottom right. I believe values on the left (in this case being 500) is always the native Center Speed (naked gun). All values on the right indicate new Center Speeds based on attachment, as associated through color.

@ Ishbane: I have one nitpick suggestion - I think you try to highlight interesting points through color as well. For instance, MP5's Center Speed is highlighted in color just because the 1700 value is noteworthy. I'd prefer you don't highlight significant values in this way since highlighted values are also used for attachment association. It's kinda like color overload. Note, this is coming from a color blind person, so please feel free to disregard - I admit this is a nitpick.

Edit: Forgot to say Thank You

So this means the ACOG and Infrared scope on the Dragunov have a much higher center speed than the default scope?

[mrboo2501]

Nov 17, 2010 17:09:08 GMT -5 novanleon said:

Nov 17, 2010 14:20:48 GMT -5 mrboo2501 said:

Agree with your point on a legend. Decoding the Dragunov, you see three values in the Center Speed box: 500 on the left, 1000 on the upper right, and 1000 on the bottom right. I believe values on the left (in this case being 500) is always the native Center Speed (naked gun). All values on the right indicate new Center Speeds based on attachment, as associated through color.

@ Ishbane: I have one nitpick suggestion - I think you try to highlight interesting points through color as well. For instance, MP5's Center Speed is highlighted in color just because the 1700 value is noteworthy. I'd prefer you don't highlight significant values in this way since highlighted values are also used for attachment association. It's kinda like color overload. Note, this is coming from a color blind person, so please feel free to disregard - I admit this is a nitpick.

Edit: Forgot to say Thank You

So this means the ACOG and Infrared scope on the Dragunov have a much higher center speed than the default scope?

This is what I believe to be true - Ishbane (or anyone can correct me if I'm wrong).

Edit: @ Ishbane, TY for the color update.

[trigxgunz]

What attachments would help the recoil the most on the M60 i dont understand when the center speed colors blend

[eLantern]

I too am a bit confused.

1st Q: Full Auto under the Submachine Guns stands for Rapid Fire, correct? If so, since Full Auto isn't highlighted in red then it doesn't have any affect to the weapon's centering speed, Right? Though, the first sight in red, which I assume is the ACOG sight(?), does affect the centering speed and when you combine the Grip w/ the ACOG sight you then get the blended colored centering speed number, yes?

2nd Q: So the extra stacked centering speeds on the M14 & M60 are representations of the different combinations of the Grip, ACOG & Infared, correct?

[mrboo2501]

Nov 17, 2010 19:37:10 GMT -5 eLantern said:

2nd Q: So the extra stacked centering speeds on the M14 & M60 are representations of the different combinations of the Grip, ACOG & Infared, correct?

M60 Center Speed Breakdown
Base Center Speed: 1500
ACOG Attachment: -400
Infared Attachment: -200
Grip Attachment: +200
Note: all other attachments have no attachment bonuses (negative or positive).

M60 + Grip Attachment = 1700 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + Infared Attachment = 1300 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + ACOG Attachment = 1100 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + Grip + Infared Attachments = 1500 (denoted with blended 1500 color)
M60 + Grip + ACOG Attachments = 1300 (?)
M60 + Infared + ACOG Attachment = NA (can not equip both Infared + ACOG)

(?) I think this may be an error - it's currently marked as 1400. Edit: similar issue with the M14 - perhaps it's hard set variables for certain conditions.

Edit 2: I think it has to be hard set values now for specific different combinations. I don't think Ishbane would have repeated simple addition errors.

[Ishbane]

Nov 17, 2010 17:09:08 GMT -5 novanleon said:

So this means the ACOG and Infrared scope on the Dragunov have a much higher center speed than the default scope?

Yes.

Nov 17, 2010 19:37:10 GMT -5 eLantern said:

I too am a bit confused.

1st Q: Full Auto under the Submachine Guns stands for Rapid Fire, correct? If so, since Full Auto isn't highlighted in red then it doesn't have any affect to the weapon's centering speed, Right? Though, the first sight in red, which I assume is the ACOG sight(?), does affect the centering speed and when you combine the Grip w/ the ACOG sight you then get the blended colored centering speed number, yes?

2nd Q: So the extra stacked centering speeds on the M14 & M60 are representations of the different combinations of the Grip, ACOG & Infared, correct?

Yes.
Although i didn't compare rapid fire yet and the icon, well, you try drawing a hail of bullets with only so many pixel.

Nov 17, 2010 20:02:16 GMT -5 mrboo2501 said:

M60 Center Speed Breakdown
Base Center Speed: 1500
ACOG Attachment: -400
Thermal Attachment: -200
Grip Attachment: +200
Note: all other attachments have no attachment bonuses (negative or positive).

M60 + Grip Attachment = 1700 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + Thermal Attachment = 1300 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + ACOG Attachment = 1100 (denoted with solid color)
M60 + Grip + Thermal Attachments = 1500 (denoted with blended 1500 color)
M60 + Grip + ACOG Attachments = 1300 (?)
M60 + Thermal + ACOG Attachment = NA (can not equip both Thermal + ACOG)

(?) I think this may be an error - it's currently marked as 1400.

It's not simply adding and subtracting, every possible combination of attachments is treated like a seperate gun, hence those strange strats.

The Kiparis' centerspeed for example barely suffers when attaching an ACOG, it even exceeds the default value when coupled with a grip.

Edit: Exactly.

[trigxgunz]

oooooooooooo I understand everything now, i just thought that the red thing waas iron sights/no attachment, but now that i know its acog it makes alot more sense