Perk Balance Discussion

[mmacola]

The Sitrep counter is DS. They both cancel each other. Saying one is a counter and the other doesn't is wrong. Sitrep is more "open" though. Sitrep: You hear everyone; DS: Nobody hears you.

[asasa]

I should say I do think Dead Silence is outclassed even in S&D versus Sitrep.

But that would be in a typical public match.

If you run a full party, all DS is very nice [Im sure you can figure out why]



Or if you are against a competent team, it can make DS the better perk.

But those are rare instances.

As for this:
"DS being silent wouldn't ruin SnD, because there are other means of detection. DS (as does assassin) protects the user from being detected by means where they don't get seen anyway. It's not like he can cloak his way across the map. But one user shouldn't be able to camp a quiet corner and just listen for when someone is nearby. "
I think pre-sitrep buff, DS was destructive to S&D. You were forced to run it as it was by far the best T3 perk. Sitrep was only good against really bad public match players.. in which case, you may as well be running Steady Aim Pro and mowing them down.

Im a fairly aggressive player and use Sitrep. I can definitely see the rage towards it as I do see a lot of people hear something, and just wait pre-aimed at wherever they assume a person will be coming from. That is cheap IMO... likely unpreventable.

Which is, again, why I prefer Ninja Pro-esque soundwhoring perk. If you want to be silent and safe from "those guys" you are 100% covered no matter what.

[banana]

The reason I never use sitrep is because of it's illuminati picture I don't care if it gave me the ability to fly, until they change the picture I'm not using it.

[Lexapro]

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

[mmacola]

Swastika means "power" to every direction. There are variations of the same as well. If someone wants to use a swastika that doesn't resemble Nazism, they can use the other ones.

[danoski666]

Jul 29, 2012 15:16:01 GMT -5 Mousey said:

Sieg Heil!

I see you were playing as the germans in WaW and Cod 1,2,3.

[MoopusMaximus]

Jul 29, 2012 16:07:25 GMT -5 danoski666 said:

Jul 29, 2012 15:16:01 GMT -5 Mousey said:

Sieg Heil!

I see you were playing as the germans in WaW and Cod 1,2,3.

I liked playing as the Germans in those games because they had cooler weapons (MP40, Luger, etc).

[banana]

Jul 29, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5 Lexapro said:

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

It never had religous meanings, at least not in christianity

[Broadband]

Assassin Pro really needs a nerf. At the VERY LEAST, remove immunity from CUAV and EMP. How is it fair that someone who's NEVER on radar should get to use his the whole time? Even if it's during an EMP and they can't call in their UAV, they can still see the red dots from enemies firing unsuppressed guns. Not fair in the slightest. I would also go one step further, and say that HBS immunity should be removed, and go to Dead Silence Pro. It would make it a more useful perk, as since the patch SitRep Pro definitely outclasses it.

I would agree with a Scavenger buff, except maybe it shouldn't replenish tactical grenades if you have Hardline on, and it DEFINITELY shouldn't resupply C4, claymores, or betties. Maybe frags and semtex are okay, since they're quite weak, and it would give Blast Shield use more meaning.

[mmacola]

^This. At least the HBS part. I think there should be a EMP nerf so any class is good when it's in effect (like making it 30 second long) and CUAV immunity really must be there somehow, given the fact it is in the support strike package. If there was no immunity, people would spam these like crazy.

[cmck]

Make EMP 30 seconds. Remove assassins immunity to Cuav, EMP, and HBS. Give HBS immunity to DS, and buff Blind eye so it acts like sit rep when looking at all killstreaks. That way uavs will be easier to take down, assassin doesn't have its radar all the time, EMPs aren't long, and DS has some use in a stealth class and against sit rep.

[cmck]

OR.... OR instead of nerfing it we could have it deploy this giant flag out of the top of it after you throw it that says "PR". Or it could say other things like get owned or watch out for the camper.

[Lexapro]

Jul 29, 2012 22:29:43 GMT -5 banana said:

Jul 29, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5 Lexapro said:

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

It never had religous meanings, at least not in christianity

"In Medieval and Renaissance European iconography, the Eye (often with the addition of an enclosing triangle) was an explicit image of the Christian Trinity. Seventeenth-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds or sunbursts."

And even if that wasn't true, I never said it was a Christian symbol anyways.

[cmck]

I'm pretty sure the swastika originated in Hinduism. Buddhism I think also adopted it as well. Its a lot older than Nazis.

[danoski666]

Jul 30, 2012 9:58:23 GMT -5 cmck said:

I'm pretty sure the swastika originated in Hinduism. Buddhism I think also adopted it as well. Its a lot older than Nazis.

TEH NAZIES USED IT SO ANYONE WHO USES IT IZ EVIL!

[TheHawkNY]

Jul 29, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5 Lexapro said:

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

I recommend you do a lot more research and consideration before you share this view in a public forum again. Talk to someone who survived a concentration camp and tell them it's silly to get upset over a swastika, because it was originally a Hindu symbol. The fact that it was originally a Hindu symbol does not change what it is now synonymous with, nor does it bring back to life their dead friends and family.

[danoski666]

^ Then again, you don't necessarily need to use the Nazi swastika, unless you like being a D-bag.

[cmck]

Jul 30, 2012 11:27:29 GMT -5 TheHawkNY said:

Jul 29, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5 Lexapro said:

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

I recommend you do a lot more research and consideration before you share this view in a public forum again. Talk to someone who survived a concentration camp and tell them it's silly to get upset over a swastika, because it was originally a Hindu symbol. The fact that it was originally a Hindu symbol does not change what it is now synonymous with, nor does it bring back to life their dead friends and family.

The point is there are many different types of them and most don't look anything like what the nazis used and that its not just a nazi symbol. Ignorant people almost automatically associate the symbol with nazis, but it has a longer and better history than that. The word is punished when it really should only be that very specific shape.

[Morshu]

Someone should make the swatsika their avatar.

[cmck]

^Should I just pick any of the ones mma posted above? The top left one looks kind of cool. (But not as cool as doc scratch getting hit with a broom)

Edit: My carrot things don't work! It was for two posts up instead of one post up. FUUUU Carrots

[TheHawkNY]

Jul 28, 2012 11:45:36 GMT -5 Mousey said:

I'll say it again though. Why does DS need a counter while sitrep doesn;t? Especially when sitrep is arguably more helpful in most situations.

SitRep doesn't have a counter? Dead Silence, crouch-walking, the fact that on half of the surfaces in the game you never hear the guy anyway, Juiced, explosives (including all of the items on the map that blow up), anyone on the map firing an unsilenced weapon, helicopters, the in-game music and announcer, etc.

In my experience, the only other things in the game which simply fail to do what it is designed to so often is the manual-action shotguns.

[Lexapro]

Jul 30, 2012 11:27:29 GMT -5 TheHawkNY said:

Jul 29, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5 Lexapro said:

That's silly. It had religious meanings far before it was used as an illuminati symbol. It's like people getting "upset" over use of the swastika, when it was originally a native american symbol.

I recommend you do a lot more research and consideration before you share this view in a public forum again. Talk to someone who survived a concentration camp and tell them it's silly to get upset over a swastika, because it was originally a Hindu symbol. The fact that it was originally a Hindu symbol does not change what it is now synonymous with, nor does it bring back to life their dead friends and family.

You're right. I should clarify that the people I'm referring to are people who get upset for reasons completely unrelated to personal experience ex. moms who tried to ban pokemon cards and then sue nintendo for a single Golbat card that had a small Swastika symbol. Basically, they're offended without knowing anything else about the symbol besides that it was used by the Nazi regime even though there were versions (often exactly the same) used in completely different purposes and meanings far before the Nazis popularized it. Obviously, there needs to be a degree of social sensitivity regarding its use because of its Nazi history, but that should be tempered with an appreciation of it's meaning and value in other cultures as well.

Jul 30, 2012 11:27:29 GMT -5 Mousey said:

nah you said it was native american which is also wrong.

At least read the wikipedia page. The word swastika and ONE of its original uses has origins in Hinduism, but there are many other recorded instances of its use far before then. I suppose that my statement as "originally a native american symbol" is technically wrong, but so is yours. Instead, I should have said "one of it's prior uses was as a native american symbol."

[mw2baller]

Anyone who's offended by anything is just a pussy. Everyone gets made fun of, harassed, or insulted. It's part of growing up. The normal thing to do is to just grow some balls and suck it up. Instead we have crybabies who graduate from telling on you to the teacher for everything, to protesting stuff that "offends" them, to finally suing everyone and everything that disagrees with them.

[A Unicorn with the Flag]

A buddy of mine went to Thailand and the symbol for temples looks almost the same as a swastika. Looking at a map of Taipei was apparently a humorous experience.