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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 29, 2014 11:48:41 GMT -5
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Post by -3055- on Oct 29, 2014 12:00:11 GMT -5
Yeah. You can get the PS exclusive strike in the Tiger Strike playlist.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 29, 2014 12:15:52 GMT -5
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Post by malgato on Oct 29, 2014 13:34:48 GMT -5
Given the completely shitty lack of cotent, providing PS exclusive content is pure shit. A half assed game/story with severely lacking total content should not be further restricted to half your systems. Especially when the Xbox players have been the loyal supporters from the beginning of Halo. Way to give a big phuk you to your longest term fan base.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 29, 2014 13:37:11 GMT -5
Given the completely shitty lack of cotent, providing PS exclusive content is pure shit. A half assed game/story with severely lacking total content should not be further restricted to half your systems. Especially when the Xbox players have been the loyal supporters from the beginning of Halo. Way to give a big phuk you to your longest term fan base. Blame ATVI  I am sure PS guys will come back and blast ATVI on the CoD exclusive BS that has been going on forever. Finally we can bash them together The silver lining here is when fall 2015 comes I will suddenly have an almost a full game worth of strikes to play with for free |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 29, 2014 14:38:18 GMT -5
Given the completely shitty lack of cotent, providing PS exclusive content is pure shit. A half assed game/story with severely lacking total content should not be further restricted to half your systems. Especially when the Xbox players have been the loyal supporters from the beginning of Halo. Way to give a big phuk you to your longest term fan base. Hey, I've been waiting for Titanfall to take my money for months now...... |
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Post by malgato on Oct 29, 2014 14:43:33 GMT -5
Microsoft developed (or bankrolles) Titanfall right? I feel like a console-specific game is different than console-specific content. The Xbox advantage for CoD always seemed dumb to me, but at least that was only a difference in weeks rather than year(s).
I am most offended and pissed at Bungie flipping the bird to their loyal Xbox fan base. We are the reason Bungie is even in a position to make Destiny.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 29, 2014 14:50:35 GMT -5
I still don't think that the Bungie is the main party to be blamed here. They are developers, this kind of deals are mostly controlled by publishers.
Of course, it does not help while Microsoft also did burn the bridge a little bit towards the end of Bungie's Halo days...
Console wars provide a lot of benefits to us players, unfortunately exclusives are a necessary evil as a result.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 29, 2014 14:53:49 GMT -5
Microsoft developed (or bankrolles) Titanfall right? I feel like a console-specific game is different than console-specific content. The Xbox advantage for CoD always seemed dumb to me, but at least that was only a difference in weeks rather than year(s). I am most offended and pissed at Bungie flipping the bird to their loyal Xbox fan base. We are the reason Bungie is even in a position to make Destiny. Bungie doesn't owe you anything. And no, the reason that Bungie is in a position to make Destiny is that they have made great games in the past, not because of any so-called loyalty. Particularly when that "loyalty" looks like this: Given the completely shitty lack of cotent...A half assed game/story with severely lacking total content... Assuming that the decision to have PlayStation exclusive content was even made by Bungie and not by Activision, at worst you're complaining that they made the decision to make as much money as they could from the game they spent years creating. Money that they can use to pay employees and continue to make great products. Failing to monetize their product properly would be disloyal to their employees. Don't act like your purchase of Halo 3 makes you a shareholder. |
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 29, 2014 14:58:55 GMT -5
I agree that Bungie does not owe me anything, their success is coming from the products they made. That said, as a fan I did promote their products a lot, for free . I could use some love... |
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Post by markopolo on Oct 29, 2014 15:02:35 GMT -5
Microsoft developed (or bankrolles) Titanfall right? I feel like a console-specific game is different than console-specific content. The Xbox advantage for CoD always seemed dumb to me, but at least that was only a difference in weeks rather than year(s). I am most offended and pissed at Bungie flipping the bird to their loyal Xbox fan base. We are the reason Bungie is even in a position to make Destiny. I know whatcher saying.... but loyalty doesn't mean much, especially to activision and sony. especially when they're willing to give it such a high profile on their system |
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Post by mannon on Oct 29, 2014 15:22:57 GMT -5
It's only like one strike and a couple items and that strike isn't even included in heroic or nightfall because it's exclusive, so overall you're not missing much anyway.
Personally I'd rather not have exclusive content on any platform. I don't like it. I think it literally does feel like the developer/publisher (hard to distinguish one from the other from the customer's point of view) is giving you the finger. I don't view it as one side getting some extra content, I see it as somebody getting paid to exclude a group of paying fans. You know what. If my game has less content, even if it's just a skin or some aesthetic BS, I feel slighted if I paid the same price.
Having said that, I'm not about to jump on the bandwagon that's ranting at Bungie for X, Y, and Z. Personally, I like Destiny very much for what it is and I feel like a large part of people's disappointment stems from their expectations. Unfortunately, that's just how it goes. You see the same thing in movies, and I have learned to manage my own expectations when there is a great deal of hype. People also have had very specific expectations about what Destiny was as a game and I pretty much avoided that as well. I went in not expecting much other than the ability to shoot enemies in the face with my brother online and earn some sort of progress for it. In that area I was not disappointed, so I'm good. Other's mileage may vary.
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Post by psychlon on Oct 29, 2014 23:27:53 GMT -5
Well having online content only by getting Playstation Plus subscription was something completely new to me. My console and the game I'm playing are linked much more than just one being the hardware and the other one the software.
This kind of deals seem rather pointless to me, I'd much more prefer if cross platform plays would be made possible and considering that some games to support cross platform save file transfers, it doesn't seem completely impossible.
Wasn't the next Tomb Raider an XBox exclusive? Even though the game started on the Playstation? As a player.. I'm just a bit confused.
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Post by malgato on Oct 30, 2014 0:05:56 GMT -5
Microsoft developed (or bankrolles) Titanfall right? I feel like a console-specific game is different than console-specific content. The Xbox advantage for CoD always seemed dumb to me, but at least that was only a difference in weeks rather than year(s). I am most offended and pissed at Bungie flipping the bird to their loyal Xbox fan base. We are the reason Bungie is even in a position to make Destiny. Bungie doesn't owe you anything. And no, the reason that Bungie is in a position to make Destiny is that they have made great games in the past, not because of any so-called loyalty. Particularly when that "loyalty" looks like this: Given the completely shitty lack of cotent...A half assed game/story with severely lacking total content... Assuming that the decision to have PlayStation exclusive content was even made by Bungie and not by Activision, at worst you're complaining that they made the decision to make as much money as they could from the game they spent years creating. Money that they can use to pay employees and continue to make great products. Failing to monetize their product properly would be disloyal to their employees. Don't act like your purchase of Halo 3 makes you a shareholder. So you think companies shouldn't value long-term brand loyalty? I bought the game based on their marketing which clearly relied upon their reputation from Xbox exclusive games, which in turn leverages the loyalty built through the Halo franchise. I may not be a shareholder (not that I ever implied I should be treated as such), but my financial contributions (and those of the many many Xbox playing Halo fans like me) are the reason Bungie has prospered. Yes, I expect them to live up to their promises. And yes, I feel entitled to be disappointed and to be free to express my disappointment over the product. Who knows why the content is lacking, but it cannot be denied that it is lacking. They have a well designed backbone for the game. It sucks they haven't taken advantage of that quality by providing an equally high level of quantity. Bungie has not been shy about their dislike for Microsoft's involvement with Halo. I think this led, or at least contributed, to the PS exclusive content. I think it sucks that they seemingly didn't care about the impact to a loyal fanbase. I also think it is ironic that they complained about Microsoft interference, but have now teamed with Activision... |
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Post by dm on Oct 30, 2014 5:31:25 GMT -5
I think it ironic, that they complained about MS interference, and now they don't have it have produced one of the most shockingly bad 'stories' in a game I can remember... I love the gameplay, I love the game mechanics, but the story is terrible.
Oh and for £20 I would expect almost half the game again, rather than the fifth or so they have announced... I got the DLC included with my copy and having put in over a hundred hours it doesn't owe me anything, but I would baulk at paying out £20 for that.
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Post by Dumien on Oct 30, 2014 8:16:07 GMT -5
Let's not let this devolve into a console war bit... Let's not blame Bungie on this...this is Mr. Kotik at work.
I don't normally recommend videos... but this sums up many of my problems with not only the game but the approach that has been taken with DLC.
Disregard the video title. Yeah I am getting ripped off. No new planets. XBOX loser treatment. Sure. I personally will be getting the DLC because I'm a sucker for Raids.
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Post by Dumien on Oct 30, 2014 8:39:46 GMT -5
On a far less critical note... here are the new exotics! planetdestiny.com/destinys-expansion-exotics/Xbros should hope that the PS4 exlusive is the punk prayer. No land beyond looks fantastic... primary sniper? Yes plz. Dragon'sbreath 4 mag on a rocket launcher? Gjallarhorn's competition! The one we should all squee about is the Necrochasm. Precision kills can turn enemies into dead thrall explosions. |
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 30, 2014 8:46:21 GMT -5
I personally will be getting the DLC because I'm a sucker for Raids. This. So much this. I ordered the digital guardian edition so I'm already getting the first two expansions regardless, but even if those expansions were both ONLY a new raid I'd still be shelling out the $20 apiece for them. Obviously that'd be a poor value compared to the standard DLC, and especially bad compared to some of the DLC for Borderlands or Elder Scrolls and the like, but compared to anything outside of other games it's fantastic. I know I'll run each raid multiple times with multiple characters which will provide countless hours of entertainment for me. Or I can go drop $20 at a movie theater for two tickets, a couple sodas, and some candy, for an experience that lasts around 3 hours at most. |
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Post by TheHawkNY on Oct 30, 2014 9:34:57 GMT -5
Bungie doesn't owe you anything. And no, the reason that Bungie is in a position to make Destiny is that they have made great games in the past, not because of any so-called loyalty. Particularly when that "loyalty" looks like this: Assuming that the decision to have PlayStation exclusive content was even made by Bungie and not by Activision, at worst you're complaining that they made the decision to make as much money as they could from the game they spent years creating. Money that they can use to pay employees and continue to make great products. Failing to monetize their product properly would be disloyal to their employees. Don't act like your purchase of Halo 3 makes you a shareholder. So you think companies shouldn't value long-term brand loyalty? I bought the game based on their marketing which clearly relied upon their reputation from Xbox exclusive games, which in turn leverages the loyalty built through the Halo franchise. I may not be a shareholder (not that I ever implied I should be treated as such), but my financial contributions (and those of the many many Xbox playing Halo fans like me) are the reason Bungie has prospered. Yes, I expect them to live up to their promises. And yes, I feel entitled to be disappointed and to be free to express my disappointment over the product. Who knows why the content is lacking, but it cannot be denied that it is lacking. They have a well designed backbone for the game. It sucks they haven't taken advantage of that quality by providing an equally high level of quantity. Bungie has not been shy about their dislike for Microsoft's involvement with Halo. I think this led, or at least contributed, to the PS exclusive content. I think it sucks that they seemingly didn't care about the impact to a loyal fanbase. I also think it is ironic that they complained about Microsoft interference, but have now teamed with Activision... I didn't say companies should value long-term brand loyalty. Smart companies value it, but don't let it hold them back from progressing. If Bungie valued loyalty in the way you're suggesting, Halo would have been a Macintosh exclusive, and you may have never played it. |
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Post by wings on Oct 30, 2014 10:10:55 GMT -5
Expansion? I remember when they were basically a new game, not just anothwr phrase for DLC that was locked out from on the disc.
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Post by mannon on Oct 30, 2014 11:02:10 GMT -5
I would say that the term expansion is being applied a bit liberally here unless there's a lot more to it than I've seen. I don't think it really deserves the term unless it at least adds a new playable area rather than merely missions and items. It's just DLC, and rather pricey at that. These days you pay a lot for a little... It's still a better deal than movies as far as stretching that entertainment dollar, but it's far from cheap unless you stick to Steam sales and used games.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 30, 2014 11:08:51 GMT -5
This smells bad.
If Bungie shouldn't held accountable to any loyalty, then we should at least be allowed to say they should be held accountable to honest business practices. And right now, they are failing on that. Right now, they are a half-assed studio full of fvcktards, who want nothing more than to rip off their clients/customers. How do you not call it that way? It's one thing to release DLC. But it's another thing to release DLC three months in, when the original game was released in a half-azz manner with large chunks of the game unfinished with a plot that was simply cut out. Worse yet, even worse than that...is then playing favorites amongst your clients? Good lord. How about this idea? FINISH THE ACTUAL GAME YOU PROMISED....BEFORE behaving like some pedophile looking to get into the pants to steal every penny off your clients, while playing favorites with them to boot?
And the whole 'blame Activision, don't blame Bungie'. Uh, no. Bvllshit. That doesn't fly. When Bungie was looking around in 2009, they knew perfectly well what type of company Activision was. When Bungie signed their ten year deal in the spring of 2010, they knew perfectly well what that deal would have them be doing. They knew they would be putting on their whore clothes. You don't go into a quarter beer happy hour at a college bar and not expect to see drunk people. All of you, quit making excuses for them.
The DLC.
New Raid Gear. Ok? So what? I can't even get the level 30 raid gear due to Bungie's outdate random loot system. New Raid? Again, I imagine it will be a bit higher, so how do I get into it if I can't even get to level 30? New Crucible maps? Yay. Now we have what? Seven maps? Great job Bungie. CoD gives like 16 right from the get go. Why should I get excited when you initially cut your PvP map list in half...and then charge me for giving back one of them? New exotic guns? What's the point? I have like nine of them now, most of which I don't have the time (ie, 'farming') to get the required amounts of materials and energy shards to level up(eg, Pocket Infinity challenge) Giving me one more, is pretty much meaningless. A story/strike mission. LOL. Ten minutes on that and it's will be done and to what plot ends, how it fits, who cares....there is no plot.
I love parts of this game. Other parts suck. I am playing it hard right now, but it's mostly because I literally have no other game to play on my Xbox One. Literally not one. So that's why I am here, that plus the hope it gets better. But this DLC is not making things better. It's Bungie sticking it to people and laughing in their face. This latest insult, on top of the ridiculous outdated 'loot system', bvullshit with leveling up, is draining me. I am honestly now LOOKING for anything, any reason to dump this game and tell Bungie to go fvck themselves. And this DLC is the latest insult. I will buy it, as $20 is nothing. But it reeks badly, of giving them $20 for stuff I most likely won't be able to use.
Again...who sells DLC where many of the people who buy it, won't even be able to access/use it? It's like CoD selling DLC, new maps/guns....and then saying that only people who have played the game eight days will be able to access the stuff. That's some lame business practices.
Fvck Bungie. They've become a company full of money grubbing pedophiles and ghouls. If this is how they are going to roll the rest of the year, I will be openly rooting that this game (and their company) fails.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 30, 2014 11:36:53 GMT -5
The main problem with this game, is that the leveling process is not based on skill......but instead on cheesing & time spent. Even with the highest skill portion of the game (VoG), where skill/teamwork comes into play, it is still tied into 'time spent', as those who can spend the time to run multiple characters and multiple (hard & normal) Raids, will be better off than those who cant' keep up with the time.
The DLC is going to expose these warts even more so. As I wrote above, some of it's use is probably going to be gated to reward those already at level 30. Those who cannot invest the god awful amount of busy work to play this game, are going to fall behind. I've got tons of time in this game, and I will be behind now. To those who play with me, I already can give you three people who have given up on this process. They feel it's hopeless. That sucks. Right now, Destiny caters to the 'lifers', those who stay ahead of the time spent curve.
That is ultimately the biggest fail of this game. It's not skill. It's time spent. This could be fixed rather easily. You want 'Raid Gear', so you can get to level 30? Simply put in something like a minimum of 'Ten Raids' being needed, plus say completing five Nightfalls on solo. There are ways to allow people to level up, so they aren't at the mercy of Bungie's randomness system (which is being used to hide their content shortfall)
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 30, 2014 11:42:37 GMT -5
Wow, all the frustrations about the game came out at the same time in this thread First of all, let's not make this thread a console war battleground. None of us here are console fanboys, and we understand that competition is good for us consumers. Exclusives? It is a necessary evil from the console war. Nobody like it, developers like Bungie included. If I were part of the team making the content, I will be pissed if my hard work is second class citizen, only to be played by half of the world. The loyalty discussion is really down to MSFT vs. Sony vs. ATVI. MSFT made the Halo XBL exclusive, and Sony is making Destiny offer exclusive content. ATVI is trying to keep both sides happy (or equally unhappy) by making XONE Lead platform for AW and PSr for Destiny. It is just business. At the end of the day, companies need to make money. Is Destiny lacking content? Yes. Is it worse than other games? I don't think so. I am playing the game mainly for the core loop, and Destiny made that part great for me. To me, weapons/abilities/enemies are much more important than stories and stikes, if latter are just backgound for the core loop. Raid has much more interesting design, I hope they will incorporate many of the ideas there into other parts of the game to make things more interesting than just cleaning up mobs and fighting boss from cheese spot. Destiny has done something right, otherwise we won't even be talking about it. However, it is certainly not for everyone. If you found yourself playing the game not for fun, but to grind to a goal like reaching level 30, then you probably should stop to do something else. The frustration can only grow stronger as you keep doing it. |
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 30, 2014 11:49:33 GMT -5
Witty. Everyone understand the necessary evil part of DLC. It's hear to stay. Companies need to earn X+$1 from their games and this is how you do it now. But that said, timing is everything. And so is keeping your word. Bungie failed on many of their original promises, and this DLC is pretty weak overall. This isn't an expansion. It's like a new map pack. And it's especially disturbing to be dumping additional higher level stuff for the 'lifers'....when people below are stuck in Bungie's 'Random Loot Hellzone'.
Let me ask you this Witty. Lets say this new Raid is a level 30 & 32. Are you not going to be bummed out? And with that, just how long are you going to keep playing the random loot lottery wheel, hoping to get to level 30? I'm on my fourth week now. I am growing tired of it. Does one wait five weeks? Six weeks? Just how long does one keep trying before giving up?
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 30, 2014 11:56:54 GMT -5
Destiny has done something right, otherwise we won't even be talking about it. However, it is certainly not for everyone. If you found yourself playing the game not for fun, but to grind to a goal like reaching level 30, then you probably should stop to do something else. The frustration can only grow stronger as you keep doing it. These points you make aren't going to be holding up that much longer. 1. Destiny does have some great elements to it. But one main thing helping it out right now is that the game is still somewhat new/fresh, ....AND it has absolutely no competition right now. It is pretty much the only game to play on Xbox One. 2. You can't play the separation game like you did, where if someone is trying to get to level 30, they aren't seeing the fun side of things. That's not true. Getting to level 30 is the entire point of the game. Leveling up is the game. You yourself said that you are enjoying getting better weapons now, doing things like the Raid. That is all due to leveling up. And yes, one should always enjoy the ride too, not just the end destination..... ....but sometimes the ride can get stuck in a Manhattan nightmare traffic jam. And when that does, the ride starts to suck. It gets boring. At some point, people are going to get tired of doing the VoG and things, over and over and over, with the same results (no raid gear), making them run in place, stuck in the game. There's no escaping that. And it's going to get worse when being stuck, while watching others ahead get to enjoy the new DLC items, further getting them ahead. |
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Post by wings on Oct 30, 2014 12:14:06 GMT -5
Just ranked up New Monarchy to rank 2 with my Hunter and got nothing, so there may be some coding that gives diminishing returns for those who rank up more than one faction per character. So even no-lifers get punished. So I purchased my favourite cloak, Strength of the Pack, from The Speaker earlier than planned.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Oct 30, 2014 12:29:38 GMT -5
iw5000: to answer your questions and address you concerns: 1) the new raid: I fully expect it to be opened at level 28, for following reasons: a) 28 can be reached without RNG (so is 29), and 2) VoG opened up at level 26, 4 levels below cap; 2) Once the new raid is available, reaching level 30 will be a piece of cake, as the new raid gear will have a lot more light; 3) I don't plan to play Destiny exclusively. Many other games are on my list that I will barely have enough time to do the weekly maintenance on Destiny. If I just play Raids and Weekly, I can play this game for a very long time. After all, my wife and I played Halo 1 a zillion times already and it is still our most favorite gaming activity together; 4) I am a big fan of weapons. I enjoy going through the upgrade tree to unleash the power bit by bit. There are many weapons to do that with, and I will probably never run out of them; 5) I have yet to play much crucible, but for the 3 games I played I had enough fun to get me into it; So in short, Destiny is a good game for my taste, especially if I mix it up with CoD, Halo, Titanfall, etc., and maybe evolve. I am happy with how things are, with a big wish list that I hope Bungie will turn into reality.
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Post by iw5000 on Oct 30, 2014 12:30:35 GMT -5
I didn't mean to the 'no-lifers' to be an insult. I would consider myself in that group. I am close to four days played on Destiny so that makes me a no-lifer. I'm It's just a term meant to be for those who are playing this game in a hard-core way, in terms of effort & time.
.....and the sad thing is, I still am not keeping up with what's needed to be done.
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Post by hebbnh on Oct 30, 2014 12:32:44 GMT -5
Just ranked up New Monarchy to rank 2 with my Hunter and got nothing, so there may be some coding that gives diminishing returns for those who rank up more than one faction per character. So even no-lifers get punished. So I purchased my favourite cloak, Strength of the Pack, from The Speaker earlier than planned. I don't think I've ever gotten anything for hitting rank 2 with any faction with any character. I thought rewards started at rank 3. |
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