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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 10:45:47 GMT -5
Crucible level 3 is pretty easy to get, no shot clock to getting it done, and again, not 11,000 glimmer. Just tossing that out there. The Saterienne Rapier is just about the same exact gun (and maybe a bit better) Depends if you've never done Crucible before though. I can get 11,000 Glimmer in about 1-2 hours in the Exclusion Zone. That is still quicker than ranking up to Crucible rank 3 on some of my characters and then getting the Marks. But then I have been placing the architects that the Crpytach gives you Glimmer for into my vault for a while now and I am approaching 100,000 Glimmer in my vault. I wonder if it will limit me to buying one gun per character because it would otherwise save the grind to rank 5 on two characters since I have Goldspiral anyway. Yeah, makes sense what you said. From my vantage point, even if you don't play Crucible much, ...just messing around here and there, it would seem like almost everyone is already at level 3, as well as always sitting on lots of marks.
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Post by hebbnh on Feb 18, 2015 11:01:34 GMT -5
From my vantage point, even if you don't play Crucible much, ...just messing around here and there, it would seem like almost everyone is already at level 3, as well as always sitting on lots of marks. Heh...I wish. My Hunter is the only character I have at rank 3. Warlock is barely rank 2. Titan isn't even to rank 1 yet LOL. I guess I need to play more Crucible -- the only time I play is during Iron Banner, because that's the only time the rewards make it worth playing.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:02:06 GMT -5
I'm not even rank 1 on Crucible. I did some vanilla Crucible not too long ago to finish my Bad Juju, and had mixed results. I had some fun one night, then two nights of it were not fun at all... just frustrating grindy shit. I think the only game I actually enjoyed was one where I pretty much gave up and just sniped long range with my Ice Breaker. I don't know if I'll ever get Crucible Rank 3... It's a pain in the ass for some reason. Where IB on the other hand is usually great fun. *shrug*
I think that it's down to mostly who's playing. The rewards in Crucible are so low and the time investment just doesn't payoff well. I think because of that it's mostly full of people that just really like to PvP in Destiny. Iron Banner is full of all kinds of players trying to earn IB gear, plus some lower level players. So it's more forgiving, especially if you're pretty high level. I don't play enough to get good at regular Crucible... But during Iron Banner I can usually manage to play enough to do really well, at least on the weekend.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 11:04:54 GMT -5
I guess I am the weird one lol. I often jump in to do quick bounties now and then. Crucible has a lot of easy bounties to do, that can be worked simultaneously. Like play a few matches, 20 headshots, 50 assists. Sometimes you can get 4 to 5 bounties done in a few games.
Don't get me wrong here, I don't like the crucible. I think it's a bit dumb, but i'll do the bounty thing when I need quick leveling. Been doing that for a while now.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:05:38 GMT -5
I have "messed around" a little, but I find normal Crucible punishingly not fun most of the time, so like I said... haven't ranked up for shit.
Actually I think I did finally get rank 1 doing Bad Juju... just rank 1. Rank 3 looks like a LONG way off. Maybe during IB I'll get some more rep from bounties, but for the most part I couldn't care less about regular Crucible. I thought it would be more fun with some good gear, but so far it's really hit or miss. It's usually about as fun for me as you had in IB with your hunter.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:07:14 GMT -5
I guess I am the weird one lol. I often jump in to do quick bounties now and then. Crucible has a lot of easy bounties to do, that can be worked simultaneously. Like play a few matches, 20 headshots, 50 assists. Sometimes you can get 4 to 5 bounties done in a few games. Don't get me wrong here, I don't like the crucible. I think it's a bit dumb, but i'll do the bounty thing when I need quick leveling. Been doing that for a while now. Well I don't have time for that. I perpetually have PvE bounties stacked up and rarely clear them out enough to bother picking up Crucible bounties. It comes down to play time. If I do 10 bounties an entire week... that was a really good week. ;3
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 11:12:53 GMT -5
Really? a lot of bounties can be knocked off in ten to fifteen minutes if you stack them.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:16:43 GMT -5
I have to have room for the bounties to stack them, to get the room I have to clear PvE bounties, to do that I have to play PvE, by the time I'm done with that I'm not playing Crucible anymore so I just pickup more PvE bounties at the tower to do next time, preferably ones that stack with the ones I have... and so forth.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:17:37 GMT -5
Also fifteen minutes? That's one match. I've rarely knocked off multiple Crucible bounties in one match. Usually it takes several.
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Post by hebbnh on Feb 18, 2015 11:40:29 GMT -5
My thing is sure, I can play Crucible and probably knock out 3 or 4 bounties in an hour if they happen to sync up, but why would I do that when I could do patrols/story/strikes and knock out 8-10 bounties in the same amount of time, while also hitting public events, while also grabbing some extra chests and planet materials here and there, while also getting more engrams or gear to break down than I would in the Crucible? The time requirement vs reward equation is so heavily tilted in favor of PvE that doing PvP is literally cutting you short on rewards by 50% or more. There's just no reason to do PvP unless you really enjoy it, have already completed all the PvE stuff available on a given day, or Iron Banner is running so there are some worthwhile rewards to shoot for and extra bounties to complete while you do it. At a minimum they need to double the marks, rep, and gear awarded for completing a match (win or lose) just to get on par with running Roc strikes over and over.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:42:02 GMT -5
This ^
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 11:47:08 GMT -5
My thing is sure, I can play Crucible and probably knock out 3 or 4 bounties in an hour if they happen to sync up, but why would I do that when I could do patrols/story/strikes and knock out 8-10 bounties in the same amount of time, while also hitting public events, while also grabbing some extra chests and planet materials here and there, while also getting more engrams or gear to break down than I would in the Crucible? The time requirement vs reward equation is so heavily tilted in favor of PvE that doing PvP is literally cutting you short on rewards by 50% or more. There's just no reason to do PvP unless you really enjoy it, have already completed all the PvE stuff available on a given day, or Iron Banner is running so there are some worthwhile rewards to shoot for and extra bounties to complete while you do it. At a minimum they need to double the marks, rep, and gear awarded for completing a match (win or lose) just to get on par with running Roc strikes over and over. I hear you, but what if they aren't any easy PvE bounties left? A lot of PvE bounties are shitty. Get kills in a NF. Do a strike. Go kill 'x'. Many of those are like 15 to 20 min things, if not more. I skip those. If that's the case, why not stack up the easy Crucible ones? If you get those easy stacks, it's at most 3 games. Half hour tops. To me, it worked. As far as engrams, chests, public events? That's real time wasting. Waiting on a timer, for what? Ascendent shards, which just get added to the hundreds of others in the vault. And materials...that seems like the real time waster too. I haven't farmed materials since that last patch a month or more ago. I don't do this that often. Here or there. Over months of playing, that easily got me level 3.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 11:53:45 GMT -5
Yeah but that's where my lack of play time comes in. I never reach a point where there aren't any PvE bounties left... or rather that only happens once every couple of months when I decide to just grind bounties all night because I like it. Usually I have a FULL roster of bounties, I burn a few, and then I pickup bounties because all of those were from previous days. The last thing I do every time I play is go back to the tower and pickup bounties. That way the next day when I play, even if I play a lot I have all the ones in my inventory plus all the ones on the NPC that don't overlap... which is usually most of them.
I almost never ever play enough to run out, and I certainly don't play enough to both run out and still have an hour to play some Crucible. I don't play as much as you, man. Don't have the time. I'd like to. But I can't do that unless I quit my job or broke up with my girlfriend or something. I play Destiny for about 2 or 3 hours maybe twice a week. Every few weeks I'll do a 6 hour stint on a weekend or so and I try to hit Iron Banner... and am always disappointed that I don't have time to get to rank 5... I'm a filthy casual. Not by choice, but them's the breaks...
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Post by hebbnh on Feb 18, 2015 12:00:05 GMT -5
Once I'm out of easy PvE bounties, I switch to a different character. Once I'm done with all 3 characters, I'm usually done for the night if there's not anything "good" (read: raids, nightfalls, weeklies) that I still need to do, as I'm bored by then. I'm not going out of my way to do events or get chests or materials -- I just get what I get while doing whatever patrol bounty is out there that day. I'll check the event timer and see where the closest event is, then start doing patrols there. Usually they show up while I'm already doing a kill and collect or kill patrol anyway, so might as well kill a few more things while I'm at it. I just grab whatever materials or chests I happen to run across -- it's not farming by any means. It's hard to run 6 moon patrols and NOT run across 10 or 15 helium and another 10 or 15 chests, for example, just in the process of completing the patrols.
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Post by wings on Feb 18, 2015 12:00:19 GMT -5
Depends if you've never done Crucible before though. I can get 11,000 Glimmer in about 1-2 hours in the Exclusion Zone. That is still quicker than ranking up to Crucible rank 3 on some of my characters and then getting the Marks. But then I have been placing the architects that the Crpytach gives you Glimmer for into my vault for a while now and I am approaching 100,000 Glimmer in my vault. I wonder if it will limit me to buying one gun per character because it would otherwise save the grind to rank 5 on two characters since I have Goldspiral anyway. Yeah, makes sense what you said. From my vantage point, even if you don't play Crucible much, ...just messing around here and there, it would seem like almost everyone is already at level 3, as well as always sitting on lots of marks. Yeah that's true. I tried looking to see if the Saterienne Reaper is that much better than the Ghelon's Demise but I couldn't find anything factual. What this could do also is allow players to save the Marks, even if they are rank 3, so they can get a new Crucible weapon as soon as another level cap is introduced or the stock changes for once. I have three scout rifles with Firefly (Saterienne Rapier, Badger CCL and The Calling) so I can save the Marks when my Titan and Hunter both reach rank 3 (both 1000 rep away). I'd be tempted to buy the shotgun if it came in void damage just to keep the Thorn bounty as relevant as possible (this and the Pocket Infinity bounty are suffering from the level cap increases). My 300 attack void Epitaph rifle does not bypass enemies with the blue shields in Iron Banner but my 331 attack arc LDR does (both having used headshots and same levelled enemies).
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Post by Dumien on Feb 18, 2015 13:21:03 GMT -5
That shotgun can come in void if you reroll it....but that is risky since you probably won't get it with perks as perfect as those.
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Post by mannon on Feb 18, 2015 13:23:00 GMT -5
Could always buy an extra one. Once you've gotten the rank it's only glimmer to get a couple.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 13:31:29 GMT -5
Once I'm out of easy PvE bounties, I switch to a different character. Once I'm done with all 3 characters, I'm usually done for the night if there's not anything "good" (read: raids, nightfalls, weeklies) that I still need to do, as I'm bored by then. I'm not going out of my way to do events or get chests or materials -- I just get what I get while doing whatever patrol bounty is out there that day. I'll check the event timer and see where the closest event is, then start doing patrols there. Usually they show up while I'm already doing a kill and collect or kill patrol anyway, so might as well kill a few more things while I'm at it. I just grab whatever materials or chests I happen to run across -- it's not farming by any means. It's hard to run 6 moon patrols and NOT run across 10 or 15 helium and another 10 or 15 chests, for example, just in the process of completing the patrols. Yeah, I guess where I am different from you is that I stopped doing the three NF's and Weeklies a long time ago. Just found no value in them anymore. I'll occasionally hit a NF or weekly if someone needs help, but that's about it. As far as patrol stuff for public event, again, very rare to do that. When I am soloing, the only thing I can really do worthwhile is level up stuff. Extra guns or extra armor. So that's where the crucible bounties come in.
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 18, 2015 13:55:42 GMT -5
Yeah but that's where my lack of play time comes in. I never reach a point where there aren't any PvE bounties left... or rather that only happens once every couple of months when I decide to just grind bounties all night because I like it. Usually I have a FULL roster of bounties, I burn a few, and then I pickup bounties because all of those were from previous days. The last thing I do every time I play is go back to the tower and pickup bounties. That way the next day when I play, even if I play a lot I have all the ones in my inventory plus all the ones on the NPC that don't overlap... which is usually most of them. I almost never ever play enough to run out, and I certainly don't play enough to both run out and still have an hour to play some Crucible. I don't play as much as you, man. Don't have the time. I'd like to. But I can't do that unless I quit my job or broke up with my girlfriend or something. I play Destiny for about 2 or 3 hours maybe twice a week. Every few weeks I'll do a 6 hour stint on a weekend or so and I try to hit Iron Banner... and am always disappointed that I don't have time to get to rank 5... I'm a filthy casual. Not by choice, but them's the breaks... yeah, I hear what you are saying. What I underlined, I call that my warmup session before getting started on Tuesdays. Actually, good for you. I wish I wasn't addicted. I need to cut back.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Feb 19, 2015 11:22:40 GMT -5
Just in case anyone doesn't know, the Iron Banner Emblem, Shader, and Class Item all give bonuses to Iron Banner reputation when equipped, so make sure to purchase and equip them. And purchase Tempering. Also, last Iron Banner, I was able to purchase both Gauntlets for my Warlock, and I have to say, it's really nice to be able to get those quick reloads on primaries (also, they use ascendant shards, which everyone is sitting on a stockpile of). I'm planning on getting them for my Titan this round. I've just been trying to do enough Iron Banner to complete the bounties every day, and I'll finish getting to level 5 over the weekend when the Tempering bonus is maxed out. wings what are you doing that it takes you more than a half hour to earn 11,000 glimmer on Exclusion Zone?
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 19, 2015 11:25:26 GMT -5
30 min, 10k glimmer, not far off. Couple thousand either way, no big deal.
I've been using the tempering bonus plus all my old Warlock shaders and emblems. Doing that stuff, is allowing me to get a lv 22/23 Hunter to the IB finish by Saturday hopefully. And that's without killing very many things. It works.
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Post by wings on Feb 19, 2015 15:58:49 GMT -5
wings what are you doing that it takes you more than a half hour to earn 11,000 glimmer on Exclusion Zone? I got the figures mixed up. It's not that slow. I think I get around 7,000 Glimmer per Resupply Code.
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Post by mannon on Feb 19, 2015 17:12:13 GMT -5
Doesn't each code last 10 minutes?
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Post by iw5000 on Feb 19, 2015 17:13:48 GMT -5
Doesn't each code last 10 minutes? Yes.
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Post by malgato on Feb 19, 2015 17:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by mannon on Feb 19, 2015 17:52:17 GMT -5
Think I need to reforge my Efrideet's Spear. Not sure what I should go for other than probably not solar as I can use my Ice Breaker for that. I have a decent rare void sniper with explosive rounds as well so I prefer arc, which is where I stopped reforging it last time, but I don't think my other mods are too good on it. Too bad I only bought one last IB. Not sure why I didn't get another one or two. heh
I think a low zoom scope is definitely something I would hope for. Explosive and/or piercing rounds would be nice, but I'm not sure what else is available that works well on it. I'll have to research that a bit, then see how many motes I'm willing and able to spend trying for it.
Considering the weapons for sale this time around have nearly ideal mods as is I don't think I'll bother reforging them. Though if I farm enough glimmer I might just horde a few several copies and see what happens. Can always reforge them in future Iron Banners as well... though the question of will they become obsolete after HoW is released is certainly a valid issue.
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Post by qupie on Feb 20, 2015 2:18:29 GMT -5
I have never seen explosive rounds on a sniper, might be a rare only thing. You are not talking about firefly right? On the other hand, explosive rounds are not that good on weapons which rely on precision damage. (because the explosive damage is not altered by it)
The ldr from vanguard is really an awesome sniper rifle! You should try it if you have some marks to spare (next to the 2nd auto rifle it is the only thing worth buying there IMO)
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Post by mannon on Feb 20, 2015 10:59:29 GMT -5
I'll consider it when I get some more marks, though it might depend a bit on what flavor it is... (element and mods). I want to get the most I can out of my Efrideet's Spear for now.
As for the explosive rounds, I've seen it on rare snipers. Legendaries may only get firefly. Explosive rounds are more useful a mod than you might think, because it adds damage on top of your bullet hit. And if you get a crit shot on a target the explosive damage crits too. That's partly what made my TDYK so great even though it's only 300 attack. The splash damage is really more of a fringe benefit because it's such a small area and the splash alone may not be enough to kill. Although it does come in handy vs packs of enemies like Thrall.
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Post by markopolo on Feb 20, 2015 11:16:21 GMT -5
I'll consider it when I get some more marks, though it might depend a bit on what flavor it is... (element and mods). I want to get the most I can out of my Efrideet's Spear for now. As for the explosive rounds, I've seen it on rare snipers. Legendaries may only get firefly. Explosive rounds are more useful a mod than you might think, because it adds damage on top of your bullet hit. And if you get a crit shot on a target the explosive damage crits too. That's partly what made my TDYK so great even though it's only 300 attack. The splash damage is really more of a fringe benefit because it's such a small area and the splash alone may not be enough to kill. Although it does come in handy vs packs of enemies like Thrall.Mannon is correct; when it came to thrall's, I would just let him do the heavy lifting since he was killing 2/3/4 thralls with one crit
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Post by qupie on Feb 20, 2015 11:31:08 GMT -5
I'll consider it when I get some more marks, though it might depend a bit on what flavor it is... (element and mods). I want to get the most I can out of my Efrideet's Spear for now. As for the explosive rounds, I've seen it on rare snipers. Legendaries may only get firefly. Explosive rounds are more useful a mod than you might think, because it adds damage on top of your bullet hit. And if you get a crit shot on a target the explosive damage crits too. That's partly what made my TDYK so great even though it's only 300 attack. The splash damage is really more of a fringe benefit because it's such a small area and the splash alone may not be enough to kill. Although it does come in handy vs packs of enemies like Thrall. ah thanks for that! I read some reddit article a while back which stated it always decreased damage. Seems it was not true. Found this: www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/87041636/0/0Didn't read the whole thing yet out of time constrains, but it looks promising! You probably already knew that, but know I might try them again Me like
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