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Post by mannon on Apr 13, 2015 16:08:41 GMT -5
My only issue with Defend the Conflux is... it's an event. That means downtime between events. You can farm some patrols and stuff between, but it certainly cuts down on glimmer efficiency, especially if you get there right after the last one ended and have to wait the whole time between for the next one. But it is certainly cool to hang out there.
I think you really sell exclusion zone short. Yeah you gotta die and start back at the checkpoint. That's not exactly downtime. It's almost as fast as respawning the three hive, but you never have to run back up the stairs and kill off adds because they screwed up your spawn and you're killing them like 7 or 8 at a time instead of 3. It's not just a little more efficient, it's a lot. You can also do some bounties while doing it, mainly just not Eris ones that require hive or not dying.
I'm with the other guys. I don't really find the 3 amigos all that efficient for most things. I guess it's one stop shopping if you aren't that concerned with efficiency. But I like the variety of running other various missions and things for my bounties rather than sticking to only one thing over and over.
I'm also not bothered by abusing checkpoints. It's just one more way to grind. Honestly I prefer checkpoints abuse to going to orbit any day.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Apr 13, 2015 16:34:30 GMT -5
With Defend the Conflux, it's an event, but the timing works out frequently that you can do them in Ishtar Cliffs and Citadel consecutively. If you use a Blue Polyphage, you'll probably earn just as much glimmer in the downtime between events as you would at the Three Musketeers, if not more, while completing patrol missions.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 13, 2015 16:43:58 GMT -5
I find it really hard to believe this much thought is going into this. polo is like planning out these bounties and glimmer gathering, like it's some Normandy launch invasion. This isn't rocket science. You need some glimmer? Just go spend ten minutes (or 20) in the Exclusion zone, and you'll be good probably for another few weeks. Seriously, there's probably more than 20 minutes spent just trying to plan out these bounties and other things, getting it all perfect with these other places.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 13, 2015 16:45:19 GMT -5
I think you really sell exclusion zone short. Yeah you gotta die and start back at the checkpoint. That's not exactly downtime. It's almost as fast as respawning the three hive, but you never have to run back up the stairs and kill off adds because they screwed up your spawn and you're killing them like 7 or 8 at a time instead of 3. It's not just a little more efficient, it's a lot. You can also do some bounties while doing it, mainly just not Eris ones that require hive or not dying. I'm with the other guys. I don't really find the 3 amigos all that efficient for most things. I guess it's one stop shopping if you aren't that concerned with efficiency. But I like the variety of running other various missions and things for my bounties rather than sticking to only one thing over and over. I'm also not bothered by abusing checkpoints. It's just one more way to grind. Honestly I prefer checkpoints abuse to going to orbit any day. 100% agree. Plus you get some engrams too on the side. And how is that abusing checkpoints, by dying and respawning? Agree with Mannon. Come on people. This is the same board that posts up a weekly NF post, that typically features three videos opening talking about cheesing. Cheesing is ok? But respawning for kills is abuse? Please.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 14, 2015 11:58:03 GMT -5
I find it really hard to believe this much thought is going into this. polo is like planning out these bounties and glimmer gathering, like it's some Normandy launch invasion. This isn't rocket science. You need some glimmer? Just go spend ten minutes (or 20) in the Exclusion zone, and you'll be good probably for another few weeks. Seriously, there's probably more than 20 minutes spent just trying to plan out these bounties and other things, getting it all perfect with these other places. Lol.... the Normandy Invasion Maybe the first few times, but once you got it down, you got it down. There is so little planning, it's not even funny. Run Bad Juju and OMind, run down, nova bomb them 8 times for 1k of glimmer and the orbs bounty and the hive majors bounty Change to sunsinger, discipline and strenght q, run down, melee them 20 times for 1250 glimmer and the melee bounty and the solar kills bounty Change to voidwalker and axion bolt and eq , run down, kill them another 20ish times for 2500k glimmer and the axion bolt bounty. Less time even if a BoC pops up and you can kill with the sword for the melee. IF that is planning the Normandy invasion, then getting naked before showering or taking off your pants and gitch before takinga a dump is like some sort of Sun Tzu Art of War level of complexity. Listen... it's personal preference. Run the exclusion zone to your hearts content. Hell, if a PSN Guardibro invites me to do it, sure.. I'll tag along. I ain't slaggin it. It's fun. I get it. I just don't do it. I prefer the 3 Musketeers.
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Post by TheHawkNY on Apr 14, 2015 12:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 14, 2015 13:04:00 GMT -5
Why would I want to farm that?
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Post by TheHawkNY on Apr 14, 2015 13:30:22 GMT -5
Ostensibly, we'll be killing a lot of Fallen once HoW comes out, having a supply of Ether Seeds will mean it's easier to keep your glimmer up without farming later. Also, it's possible the new vendor with the expansion will use them as a currency, similar to how Eris uses Black Wax Idols. And it's always nice to have more House Banners to redeem for glimmer in your vault. Not saying I'm going to do it, but if wings is doing essentially the same thing at Restoration, this might be more time efficient.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 14, 2015 14:00:16 GMT -5
I think I have hundreds of these things.
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Post by wings on Apr 14, 2015 14:49:03 GMT -5
I think I have hundreds of these things. I think I have 220 of those now but it's useful to stockpile them. I don't do Restoration any longer but it's really just getting the habit of creating a sizeable reserve. You can never be too rich, too good looking, or too well armed!
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Post by mannon on Apr 27, 2015 8:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by markopolo on Apr 27, 2015 8:49:49 GMT -5
they don't recommend the 3 Musketeers? Bunk list Friday/Saturday... whenever...I went down to about 10k glimmer after maxing out 3 SGA's, SoDA, WoC, and FBringer.... 30 minutes and 3 BWI at the 3 Muskies got me 7k plus 12+ BWI and 15+SC.... Then yesterday, one more trip down... another 5k and 20 SC and 15 BWI... Glimmer cap reached. All while requiring no fancy raids, gear (although Bad Juju and OM help) or waiting or risking other bounties being reset via death.... just go down and kill them. What? they stopped, run up, kill the fallen, jump up to where the ship drops off, kill the 4 by the rock, jump back down, go down the stairs... there they are!!!
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 27, 2015 8:54:21 GMT -5
they don't recommend the 3 Musketeers? Bunk listFriday/Saturday... whenever...I went down to about 10k glimmer after maxing out 3 SGA's, SoDA, WoC, and FBringer.... 30 minutes and 3 BWI at the 3 Muskies got me 7k plus 12+ BWI and 15+SC.... Then yesterday, one more trip down... another 5k and 20 SC and 15 BWI... Glimmer cap reached. All while requiring no fancy raids, gear (although Bad Juju and OM help) or waiting or risking other bounties being reset via death.... just go down and kill them. What? they stopped, run up, kill the fallen, jump up to where the ship drops off, kill the 4 by the rock, jump back down, go down the stairs... there they are!!! They mentioned it "Hive majors in Cosmodrome patrol" That's the musketeers. It's only about 1/2 the rate of the best spots.
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Post by mannon on Apr 27, 2015 9:24:01 GMT -5
If you're doing it for bounties and things then the glimmer is a nice bonus so yay for multitasking. If you're just looking for strait up glimmer I'd hit exclusion, (since I'm not going to have any VoG checkpoints or an easy way to get one).
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 27, 2015 10:11:11 GMT -5
From the chart.
EZ - 431 per cycle, 674.1 per min... never needs reset.
3 musketeers - 124.6 per cycle, 359.8 per min..... sometimes needs reset.
If you are doing serious glimmer farming (needing 10,000 or more), there's no reason to be doing anything but the EZ. You can spend 15 minutes at the EZ, or go spend almost 30 minutes at the Three musketeers. Why waste 15 min of your life doing this bvllshit stuff? That's real time.
And it doesn't matter if a person is doing multiple bounties. So what? All the bounties (kill 10 hive, etc..) can be done in like 1 or 2 minutes. Get your bounties done, then leave. Why would anyone stick around for another 28 minutes at 1/2 the rate. It makes no sense.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 27, 2015 11:45:09 GMT -5
Why?
1. No extra goodies required.... a level 17 can do the 3M as easy as a level 32 can 2. Eris dedicated a lot of bounties to the Hive that can be done there 3. You don't have to unlock any planets to do it 4. To do the exclusion zone, you have to die, thus resetting/delaying/impacting bounties
Again... I have never once said, nor will I ever say, that the 3Muskies is the optimal farming spot, getting the maximum glimmer possible. Never. Never ever. I have never once disputed that the Exclusion Zone is the be-all-end-all, grand poobah mack daddy daddy mack of glimmer farming. Never. It is the HawkGjallieBreakerLord of Glimmer Farming in the game
What I have said, is that for getting a good/decent amount of glimmer, coupled with bounty completion, coupled with ease of access, coupled with a lack of gear requirements or player exp/light level, coupled with player ability level... it cannot be beat. It is the MIDA Multitool of Destiny... useful for all but a master of none
You do the exclusion zone for $$$... you do the 3 Musketeers for synergy and ease of $$ and bounties
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 27, 2015 13:04:55 GMT -5
Just brought that up again, as some of you guys (can't remember who)just have repeatedly said you don't have the time to finish stuff. Right here is a way to find more time. Quit wasting 10, 15, or more min glimmer farming the musketeers.
Just trying to help.
Personally speaking, if 3 or 4 of the Hive bounties come up (that's the most that ever will), I just go get them done in a few passes at the musketeers spot(2 min tops?), then go the EZ to glimmer farm...IF that's what's needed. But with that, I haven't glimmer farmed since the last IB. It's just not needed that often. So it's kind of a irrelevant point.
But that all said, your reasons (not to) up there are a bit baffling.I don't get them. You don't need to be level 32 for the EZ. You can be a very low level. The bounties, they all only take like a few minutes. The planet unlock? Who doesn't have Mars unlocked? That's easy. And the death thing? There's only a few bounties that affects (30 melee kills, 9,000XP) and most of those bounties can be done first.
Anyways, carry on.
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Post by mannon on May 5, 2015 8:52:30 GMT -5
I need to work on my Exclusion zone. I think I just don't have the right equipment all leveled up. I experimented with a few things. Tried getting up close to the drop ship or going right, but when I do I can never kill them all clustered together and they run off and make me hunt them down. I went back to going left and doing Super, rocket, grenade, cleanup then rush the reds to suicide. If I let them hurt me a lot then toss a grenade at my feet the axiom bolts will hurt me if they're all clustered around me, so I could usually speed up my death.
I was also whiffing some supers, though. My super timing and aim were a bit off. I should work on that.
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 9:14:36 GMT -5
I need to work on my Exclusion zone. I think I just don't have the right equipment all leveled up. I experimented with a few things. Tried getting up close to the drop ship or going right, but when I do I can never kill them all clustered together and they run off and make me hunt them down. I went back to going left and doing Super, rocket, grenade, cleanup then rush the reds to suicide. If I let them hurt me a lot then toss a grenade at my feet the axiom bolts will hurt me if they're all clustered around me, so I could usually speed up my death. I was also whiffing some supers, though. My super timing and aim were a bit off. I should work on that. Ok? If you have to hunt some down, so what? Not trying to be rude there, just asking. When I do it, I typically use my Hunter with Golden Gun. I run out, light up my super, and typically only kill like four of the yellow Cabal's, and then have to shoot the others. Hunt them down. Maybe it takes 5 seconds, maybe it takes 15 seconds. Doesn't matter. I just kill them. My super is recharged. Then kill myself. Repeat as much as needed. After a while, i'll have all the glimmer I need. And have EXTRA time to do other things, since I didn't waste time on places like the three musketeers. Are you running it on the hardest level? You don't have too (at least I don't think so)
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Post by markopolo on May 5, 2015 9:23:41 GMT -5
Remember that:
1) Mannon is rusty, just coming back from a hiatus 2) He doesn't have a Bad Juju (at least I think) 3) He doesn't have a OMind (at least I think)
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 9:30:00 GMT -5
Remember that: 1) Mannon is rusty, just coming back from a hiatus 2) He doesn't have a Bad Juju (at least I think) 3) He doesn't have a OMind (at least I think) You don't need any of those to run the Exclusion Zone. I run a Hunter. Golden Gun. With a Thorn and shotgun. No rockets are ever used.
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Post by markopolo on May 5, 2015 9:36:30 GMT -5
*shrug*
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Post by qupie on May 5, 2015 9:52:43 GMT -5
I always use voidwalker with shatter. OM is not really needed but helps.
For weapons I use Vision of confluence, a fusion rifle with high impact (one shot majors) and a rocket to kill myself.
I do one out of two things:
1. Run left, throw a grenade under the first ship (kills ~2 adds), super five majors, shoot remaining 4 with scout/fusion, Rocket myself in the red bars.
2. Run left, throw a grenade under the first ship, super majors, rocket the remaining 3-4 and kill myself in the process. --> Downside is not always having a full super next run and not always killing all the majors. Upside is saving 10-15 seconds.
I don't know which of the two is faster, but I tend to alternate between these two, depending on the way the remaining 4 majors are distributed after I did my super, and the amount of heavy ammo I have. Fusion rifles Rock in exclusion zone. Most important thing to net max glimmer is don't ever shoot at the red bars with your primary/secondary. They are not worth the time.
Using soul rip and melee on a red bar can be nice as well if you need a tad more super energy.
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 10:13:16 GMT -5
It's all just a matter of ten seconds either way, and just nitpicking details. There are dozens of ways to do the above.
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Post by qupie on May 5, 2015 10:52:08 GMT -5
While true, isn't this the place to be nitpicking? It is a topic about the most effective way to farm glimmer.
10 seconds on 30-60 second runs are a pretty big deal actually. That is ~ 20%. That can easily save you 10-20 minutes during Iron Banner. And getting stuff down as effective as possible if fun.
The best advice is to do it for at least half 30 min at once. If you experiment with it for 30 minutes you will find your own fastest way. Don't step out after 10 minutes, because you will never find your own way then. The only real tips I can give is don't waste time on reds and use supers and long range fusion rifles (plan c is awesome in there). Also, I found the left way to be way easier.
edit: Also don't try to be smart with your super trying to kill all 9 majors. It cannot be done, unless you do some real specific stuff, which will only cost more time (you have to kill allot of the reds, or wait for the first ship to leave). Super the 5 on the left, finish the 4 on the right. And it is okay if you miss a major now and then before dying.
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Post by mannon on May 5, 2015 11:05:02 GMT -5
A few seconds one way or the other when repeated a bunch of times adds up. As for them running away what I meant was if I run to the right or right under the ship I don't kill them all fast enough and they'll run back to the reds and into that building that's on the right when you come out and then I have to physically run back up the hill and waste all that time to kill them. If I go left I can get them before they get there 95% of the time and the 5% of the time they do get in there I have a line of sight anyway and just pick them off.
I do have Omind and Bad Juju, but neither have their exotic perks useful for this so they are just bog standard equipment until I get them upgraded.
It looks like scattter grenades are good for suicide so I think I'll try that. If I have a rocket and get the timing right I can super first group and rocket second which at worst leaves me 1 or 2 guys to finish, though if I do it really fast my super's not quite ready in time next run. (At least without bad juju and omind to help.) Of course without rockets I have to pick off the second group. Usually I'm going scout rifle/Ice breaker. I tried hand cannon which works okay if I get close, but is less effective at range and has to reload more. I can usually do it without reloading my scout rifle. IB also gives me agility.
I tried it with shotgun and running right up under, but ammo became a problem and a few stragglers usually ran off. I also found it hard to stay alive, but I'm sure that's partly just due not getting the super off in the right spot.
At any rate I'm just trying to improve my time on this so I can grind out glimmer at a faster rate. I haven't managed to be as efficient as I know Exclusion Zone can be and it's important for times like last night when I needed to farm the glimmer to buy my IB items but my play time is limited. Last night it took too long and I stayed up too late.
I saw a video on Reddit of a guy who jumped on top of the first ship and fired his super from there which split and took out both groups of majors, then he jumped down and used a scatter grenade to suicide. Seemed pretty efficient. I could probably do that, though I may run dry on super without Omind. Still... that's a nice problem to have. I can prolly substitute rockets. (And of course I can continue working on Omind upgrades.)
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 13:36:53 GMT -5
Look. My point is this. The prior listed chart off of Reddit showed this.
Exclusion Zone averaged around 650 glimmer per minute (630 to 675 per min, various ways to do it, 40 sec cycle). Three musketeers averaged around 360 glimmer per minute (20 sec cycle) You need 20,000 glimmer for some IB stuff? We are talking SIGNFICANT time differences. We are talking 55 minutes on the Three Musketeers, and that's assuming you don't run into a dead patch. It could easily be 60 to 65 minutes. Go to the exclusion zone, you are doing the 20,000 glimmer in 30 minutes.
60/65 minutes versus 30 minutes is a big chunk of time. Take someoen like Marco. He says Musketeers is good, because he can do bounties on the Hive spot. So what. Still doesn't even make sense. I can run all the Hive/Knight/whatever bounties there in like two minutes. It still makes no sense to stick around killing Hive Knights for another 28 to 33 minutes. That's wasted time. Especially so, as Marco and some others say they don't have enough time to get sh1t done, like leveling up guns. Why in God's name would you waste 30 minutes like that, while stating you don't have time to get other things done. Come on. THAT is worth discussing. It's significant.
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Discussing the various ways to run the EZ? Eh? That's a bit nitpicking, especially if a person gets the jist of the mechanisms (kill the yellow bar cabal, then die, then repeat). The few seconds don't really add up. If you average 670 with your Warlock, and I average 643 with my Hunter...so what. The above 20,000 glimmer goal is going to take a total of 29 minutes for the former, and 31 minutes for the latter. Two minutes. That DOES NOT add up. It's only two minutes. And honestly, with the game quirks, a missed shot or two, there's no guarantee that your Warlock method is going to perfectly execute your average goal every time, and my Hunter hits the exact mark either. Sometimes you miss a shot, flub a super hit, whatever. The above '2 minutes' easily gets washed out. It is fun to discuss, but it's not really material. It is nitpicking.
It doesn't matter.
As long as you do it in the EZ, it's all good. You'll probably average somewhere in the 600's and that's all you need. The important part (if you are someone short on time) is to avoid running the spots that average in the 200's and 300's per minute. You're killing yourself there.
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 14:08:59 GMT -5
While true, isn't this the place to be nitpicking? It is a topic about the most effective way to farm glimmer. 10 seconds on 30-60 second runs are a pretty big deal actually. That is ~ 20%. That can easily save you 10-20 minutes during Iron Banner. And getting stuff down as effective as possible if fun. You aren't saving 20 minutes. 1. You run the EZ poorly or sloppily you might be averaging 540 glimmer per minute (50 second cycle, 447 glimmer per cycle) 2. You run it perfectly (stacking supers every time, etc..), you might be averaging 654 per min (41 second cycle, 447 glimmer per cycle) Do the math. You need 20,000 glimmer for some IB needs late Monday night, ...the above difference comes out to 37 and 31 minutes. 30 to 35 minutes. We are talking real numbers. Six minutes? We are nitpicking. If you are running the IBanner stuff down to a six minute window, come on.
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Post by markopolo on May 5, 2015 14:15:01 GMT -5
Look. My point is this. The prior listed chart off of Reddit showed this. Exclusion Zone averaged around 650 glimmer per minute (630 to 675 per min, various ways to do it, 40 sec cycle). Three musketeers averaged around 360 glimmer per minute (20 sec cycle) You need 20,000 glimmer for some IB stuff? We are talking SIGNFICANT time differences. We are talking 55 minutes on the Three Musketeers, and that's assuming you don't run into a dead patch. It could easily be 60 to 65 minutes. Go to the exclusion zone, you are doing the 20,000 glimmer in 30 minutes. 60/65 minutes versus 30 minutes is a big chunk of time. Take someoen like Marco. He says Musketeers is good, because he can do bounties on the Hive spot. So what. Still doesn't even make sense. I can run all the Hive/Knight/whatever bounties there in like two minutes. It still makes no sense to stick around killing Hive Knights for another 28 to 33 minutes. That's wasted time. Especially so, as Marco and some others say they don't have enough time to get sh1t done, like leveling up guns. Why in God's name would you waste 30 minutes like that, while stating you don't have time to get other things done. Come on. THAT is worth discussing. It's significant. Here.... you missed/ignored/forgot this part of what I wrote Lemme post it for you here Why? Again... I have never once said, nor will I ever say, that the 3Muskies is the optimal farming spot, getting the maximum glimmer possible. Never. Never ever. I have never once disputed that the Exclusion Zone is the be-all-end-all, grand poobah mack daddy daddy mack of glimmer farming. Never. It is the HawkGjallieBreakerLord of Glimmer Farming in the game What I have said, is that for getting a good/decent amount of glimmer, coupled with bounty completion, coupled with ease of access, coupled with a lack of gear requirements or player exp/light level, coupled with player ability level... it cannot be beat. It is the MIDA Multitool of Destiny... useful for all but a master of none You do the exclusion zone for $$$... you do the 3 Musketeers for synergy and ease of $$ and bounties
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Post by iw5000 on May 5, 2015 14:22:01 GMT -5
Didn't ignore. Probably missed it. Easy to do on a phone.
I also might be conflating your posts, with the other one or two people who said they don't have enough time to get stuff done in Destiny. If you say that, AND you glimmer farm at the Musketeers...then you have no basis for griping about time.
but...that said, your reasons still don't hold up. I remember it partly. You had previously mentioned some reasons that made no sense. You said you (or others) didn't have it open. Everyone has Mars open by now. Come on. You also said the level wasn't right. You don't need to be high level. You can run EZ on like level 11 or 15, something like that. And even your most copied above reasons...... "lack of gear requirements"? Come on. Not a reason. A thorn (or any decent pistol) and shotgun (any decent shotgun) is all I typically use, with a super. And 'ease of access'? There is no access issues with EZ. Enter it. It takes like 45 seconds to get going. And 'Player ability'? Jesus. If a person cant' hit targets in the EZ, at this point seven months in, you have no business playing this game.
Bottom line, you keep listing reasons that have no validity.
The only valid reason you list up there, is you can do some bounties on the Musketeers. That's it. (but that said, you can do some bounties on EZ too) And they take like 2 minutes. Once you are done with those bounties (Kill 10 Hive)...there is no valid reason to stick around another 35 minutes wasting one's time there.
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