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Post by markopolo on Apr 29, 2015 14:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by bradman on Apr 29, 2015 14:54:20 GMT -5
Crucible is getting overhauled,too, with more and better drops and rewards.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 29, 2015 15:00:03 GMT -5
Unless the Crucible gets an overhaul to prevent/limit the amount of lag, they'd better double amp up the drops and rewards
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Post by mannon on Apr 29, 2015 15:56:33 GMT -5
"We will find you enemies, we will not find you friends." Well... guess I won't be playing Trials...
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Post by exxtrooper on Apr 29, 2015 16:38:24 GMT -5
Jesus the Ram is gonna be so good in this.
I can see there's gonna be unamused PVE centric players when there's gonna be an exotic you can only receive in trials of osiris.
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Post by mannon on Apr 29, 2015 18:07:13 GMT -5
Why not, there already plenty of PvE only items. Seems fair. I say it's about time Bungie paid more attention to PvP and especially to rewarding players for investing their time in it.
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Post by qupie on Apr 30, 2015 3:12:45 GMT -5
Sounds good And to be fair, matchmaking sounds like a bad idea in a 3v3 revive only gametype. Especially in a game like destiny (high TTK). Sucks to not be able to play it though!
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Post by wings on Apr 30, 2015 3:57:06 GMT -5
Jesus the Ram is gonna be so good in this. I can see there's gonna be unamused PVE centric players when there's gonna be an exotic you can only receive in trials of osiris. That's the risk they take if they are collecting exotics. Besides, the Thorn's bounty requires mostly PvP tasks and it excels in PvP and has minimal use in PvE anyway.
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Post by qupie on Apr 30, 2015 4:31:11 GMT -5
Thorn is great for PvE! You can hipfire all the small enemies and they still die. You don't have to headshot them for a OHK. Top three exotic primaries IMHO.
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Post by wings on Apr 30, 2015 4:44:31 GMT -5
Thorn is great for PvE! You can hipfire all the small enemies and they still die. You don't have to headshot them for a OHK. Top three exotic primaries IMHO. Patience and Time, Ice Breaker, Red Death, Gjallarhorn, Truth, and the MIDA Multitool are all better for end game content.
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Post by qupie on Apr 30, 2015 6:19:27 GMT -5
I was talking primaries. But still, I don't agree with allot of those weapons.
Patience and Time? I almost never use it. I have two fully leveled. I always just use one of my LDR's and thunderlord if I want arc damage. There is not enough difference between the two snipers to grant the exotic slot most of the time. The perks are also useless imho.
Red death is not as strong as thorn IMHO, except for crota hard, where you want to use the gjallar anyway
Ice breaker is great if you like hiding, I barely use it anymore nowadays.
Truth is not worth the exotic slot in PvE.
Mida is only great if you actually want to run past stuff, not to deal damage.
Gjallarhorn is overrated (very strong! but still overrated). It is only really better than legendaries against bosses. Against non boss enemies, you are better off with a exotic primary/secondary.
Imho the best PvE exotic primaries are Hawkmoon, thorn and bad juju. Mida and red death have their place, but only in some very limited situations.
The real question is: which exotics do things legendaries cannot come close to do?
Thorn: OHK adds in their big toe Hawkmoon: Pure damage Bad juju: boost super --> orbs Mida: Lets you run past stuff you otherwise could barely Red Death: health regen (really not as useful as I thought) Icebreaker: lets you play it slooow Gjallarhorn: Pure damage on big targets
In my oppinion, appart from "fun" arguments, as we are talking end game. Those are the only exotics who are truly worth the exotic slot in PvE. And some are only really usefull in (very) limited situations. (red death, mida, and arguably bad juju)
That said, I try to use all my exotics now and then. (but I still barely use P&T and Truth in PvE)
Just my 5 cents
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Post by markopolo on Apr 30, 2015 12:18:52 GMT -5
Every exotic weapon has it's place, if you choose to use it correctly. There are some that are superior overall in most situations.
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Post by exxtrooper on Apr 30, 2015 12:30:29 GMT -5
Every exotic weapon has it's place, if you choose to use it correctly. There are some that are superior overall in most situations. Explain Hardlight.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 30, 2015 12:34:47 GMT -5
Every exotic weapon has it's place, if you choose to use it correctly. There are some that are superior overall in most situations. Explain Hardlight. I don't have it but, if memory serves me correctly, it's pretty stable... it shoots balls of light..... skip rounds are "fun" And of course, it allows gamers such as bradman to make copious sexual innuendo jokes... that you can't do too easily with other exotics?
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Post by bradman on Apr 30, 2015 15:24:20 GMT -5
Maybe,yeah, but Hard Light is pretty useless. Super Good Advice is pretty underwhelming, as well.
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Post by markopolo on Apr 30, 2015 15:36:16 GMT -5
Maybe,yeah, but Hard Light is pretty useless. Super Good Advice is pretty underwhelming, as well. A LMG with kick that replenishes the missed shots? It's awesome. It's also pretty great on the Oracles at the end of VoG.... much better than atheons, imho. But the best part about it... it's an easy bounty that gets you 2 exotic shards for 1 strange coin and exp maxing. All 3 of my warlocks have a maxed one, and any other SGA's are being worked on being broken down for dem shards
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Post by bradman on May 1, 2015 4:54:56 GMT -5
Hmm, if the best thing about it is its' value as currency...
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Post by qupie on May 1, 2015 6:42:33 GMT -5
Problem with SGA is the following in my oppinion: You have all sorts of archtypes for weapons in destiny, as well as for HMG's. Now these archetypes are balanced in a way, that the DPS(econd) is roughly the same. (higher damage per shot gives lower RPM and vice versa) They are not balanced in a way that more DPS(econd) means more recoil (like some COD's weapons, like MW2 tar vs scar). This kind of balancing (almost) doesn't exist in destiny. In a world where damage per bullet is balanced by rate of fire, there simply is no place for a weapon like this. Because the weapons are balanced on DPS(econd) anyway, why would anybody use a weapon with huge recoil (which is largely migigated by the exotic perk), if they can also use a accurate weapon with the same DPS(econd) This weapon should have had a higher DPS than other LMG's, which would be balanced by the recoil, which would in turn again be partly mitigated by the exotic perk. Now you just get an unaccurate LMG with a perk which greatly mitigates its inaccuracy, while you could just use an accurate LMG with the same DPS(econd) (hope this made any sense ) This is the reason its only use right now is (kinda) a bug/exploid. It is great against differently programmed targets where the exotic perks always works (oracles, detainment shields, oversoul).
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Post by iw5000 on May 1, 2015 7:39:04 GMT -5
I rarely use my SGA. Find nothing very good about it. Keep it for collecting purposes and that's about it.
Hardlight. I have absolutely not a good thing to say about it.
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Post by markopolo on May 1, 2015 9:46:34 GMT -5
sorry.... maybe I should have mentioned it before (I thought we knew)
If you're holding down SGA's trigger for longer than 2 seconds, you're doing it wrong.
If you treat it like a non-autofiring pulse rifle... you're doing it right. Pulse that trigger and let the bodies hit the floor
Anyone who hipfire-rambo's the SGA is just begging to die.
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Post by qupie on May 1, 2015 9:49:25 GMT -5
I agree, it is usable if you burst it. The problem is, there are weapons with the same DPS which you don't have to burst fire... AND which don't use your exotic slot...
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Post by markopolo on May 1, 2015 10:07:27 GMT -5
I agree, it is usable if you burst it. The problem is, there are weapons with the same DPS which you don't have to burst fire... AND which don't use your exotic slot... And resupply your ammo with the missed shots? Listen, I'm not saying it's the super/uber tier exotic that you're sharing your gjallie for... But it's better than what most of you are giving it credit for
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Post by mannon on May 1, 2015 13:10:51 GMT -5
I think in PvE where it's not difficult to make every shot count SGA has limited utility except with targets that count as missed shots. There's just not enough reason to shoot and miss a target. Maybe you can spray it a bit more indiscriminately, but do you really need to? I already tend to treat MG's more or less like heavy AR's unless I'm point blank with a bullet sponge.
In PvP I can see the DPS being an issue if you get into MG vs MG fights. On the other hand you can prefire all over the place and use it for suppression, which kind of makes it unique.
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Post by wings on May 1, 2015 14:57:18 GMT -5
I agree, it is usable if you burst it. The problem is, there are weapons with the same DPS which you don't have to burst fire... AND which don't use your exotic slot... And resupply your ammo with the missed shots? Listen, I'm not saying it's the super/uber tier exotic that you're sharing your gjallie for... But it's better than what most of you are giving it credit for Corrective Measure is probably better than SGA for VoG.
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Post by wittyscorpion on May 4, 2015 14:19:18 GMT -5
After another complete run to IB rank 5, I am now more warmed up to Destiny PvP in general.
1) Trials of Osiris sounds like a good teamwork oriented PvP activity. I usually have my Sunday opened up for gaming, this sounds like a great pass time if I can find 2 teammates.
2) Better loot for regular Crucible is also a nice addition. So far I have never played non-IB Crucible, and there are a few game modes that intrigue me, like Clash, and Inferno variants.
3) IB always has the attraction to easily re-roll weapons. Although HoW is going to make it possible to do this at Gunsmith, I suspect the currency needed there is not as easy to get as Motes.
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Post by markopolo on May 4, 2015 14:49:35 GMT -5
Although HoW is going to make it possible to do this at Gunsmith, I suspect the currency needed there is as easy to get as Motes. To rereoll a HoW weapon is something you already have a boatload of.... a mote, 250 glimmer and a few weapons parts (at least, this was what was shown in the HoW reveal video)
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Post by mannon on May 4, 2015 15:27:03 GMT -5
I haven't got a lot of motes myself, but I'll be farming them, I'm sure.
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Post by wittyscorpion on May 4, 2015 16:42:22 GMT -5
Although HoW is going to make it possible to do this at Gunsmith, I suspect the currency needed there is as easy to get as Motes. To rereoll a HoW weapon is something you already have a boatload of.... a mote, 250 glimmer and a few weapons parts (at least, this was what was shown in the HoW reveal video) I thought I read somewhere that there is a new type of currency needed, and crap, I meant to say "I suspect the currency needed there is NOT as easy to get as Motes". My OP changed
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Post by wings on May 5, 2015 3:27:45 GMT -5
After another complete run to IB rank 5, I am now more warmed up to Destiny PvP in general. 1) Trials of Osiris sounds like a good teamwork oriented PvP activity. I usually have my Sunday opened up for gaming, this sounds like a great pass time if I can find 2 teammates. 2) Better loot for regular Crucible is also a nice addition. So far I have never played non-IB Crucible, and there are a few game modes that intrigue me, like Clash, and Inferno variants. 3) IB always has the attraction to easily re-roll weapons. Although HoW is going to make it possible to do this at Gunsmith, I suspect the currency needed there is not as easy to get as Motes. I'll be up for Trials of Osiris. I suspect Etheric Light to be quite scarce so I will use this for weapons that have top tier upgrades. Bungie won't want to make them too frequent because that will mean people will stop playing Iron Banner etc if they can just upgrade everything. Pity if it's too scarce because I have a full set of VoG armour for me Warlock. However, making Motes of Light easier to gain by playing other game modes might be the best of both worlds. This means expenditure on Etheric Light can be more selective while freeing up Motes of Light for lower priority gear, such as Iron Banner armour that can be re-earned quite easily.
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Post by wittyscorpion on May 7, 2015 11:53:32 GMT -5
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