bradman
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Post by bradman on Jun 3, 2017 10:32:27 GMT -5
I didn't cast a vote for him as I voted down ballot, but if the election were re-held today I think I probably would. His Presidency thus far has been somewhat shaky (if I had to rate it with a letter grade I'd probably give it a "C"), but in all honesty it’s way too early to tell how Trump is doing as President. Some of his actions have been terrific; some have been garbage; some of his promises haven't taken place. Some of his rhetoric has been useful; more (or most) hasn't. The total bag is definitely mixed. Some of the things I see as being "Good" Trump: - Nominated and got Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. - Passed a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated. - Passed a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service. - Withdrew the US from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. - Lifted workforce restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal. - Lifted the Obama-Clinton workforce roadblocks to allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward. - Cancelled billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and used the money to fix several of America's water and environmental infrastructures. - He's begun removing more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancelling visas to foreign countries that don't want to take them back. - He's threatened to cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities. I hope he does. - He suspended immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting couldn't safely occur and intended to see the vetting process improved. Unfortunately, his has been held up by the courts. - He's directed the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately. This process is supposedly still in the works. - He's supposedly renegotiating NAFTA under the threat of withdrawal per Article 2205. The nature of this negotiation is unclear at this point, so it may not remain a "good" thing. 0-12, would not vote for, ever.
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markopolo
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Post by markopolo on Jun 5, 2017 13:24:47 GMT -5
In the case of something as big as pulling out of Paris Accord, yes it's very important to fact check because yes, his base believes him that entering into that would be disastrous for the US economy and would cost jobs and all this stuff. So someone needs to be out there with the right information on stuff like this. So it's not so much fact-checking Trump, it's fact-checking stuff that he and his minions are spewing everywhere for people to swallow whole. They eat it up. I misspoke; sorry. Yes, I agree that it's important to fact check Trump. But isn't it taken for granted that whatever he says, is a lie?
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Post by illram on Jun 5, 2017 14:18:26 GMT -5
Not by his fans. It's the opposite--everything everyone else says is fake news, concocted to stymie his righteous struggle.
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Post by markopolo on Jun 5, 2017 14:27:28 GMT -5
Not by his fans. It's the opposite--everything everyone else says is fake news, concocted to stymie his righteous struggle. Oh, I agree that his Trumpites? Trumporters? Trumpeters? Trumpaphiles? will swallow any numnber, letter, or symbol as Gospel from the Heavens... But isn't it just a case of instead of "Fact Checking" it's more of "Just How Big of a Lie did Trump Tell?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 5:30:47 GMT -5
"This guy is having a moment of honest self-reflection instead of quoting witty rhetoric. That's interesting and will probably go viral." - nobody ever.
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Post by bucket415 on Jun 24, 2017 12:24:01 GMT -5
Not by his fans. It's the opposite--everything everyone else says is fake news, concocted to stymie his righteous struggle. How much nothing are you willing to hold onto?
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Post by blackbarney on Jun 24, 2017 12:31:42 GMT -5
There's nothing frightening or arrogant or condescending about nothing and that's what they like. If you stand for nothing, his fans feel no fear of change since he's not going to do anything. When he says he's going to drain the swamp they hear, "I'm going to stop these people from maybe doing things that might make you worse off. Remember how you broke your leg and had to go on workmans comp and there was a delay in getting paid when Obama was President? Yeah, I'm going to drain that swamp. Who's with me? Oh... really? This many of you? Look I really just want to lose so I can start a TV network which you guys would watch...'"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 16:29:56 GMT -5
There's nothing frightening or arrogant or condescending about nothing and that's what they like. If you stand for nothing, his fans feel no fear of change since he's not going to do anything. When he says he's going to drain the swamp they hear, "I'm going to stop these people from maybe doing things that might make you worse off. Remember how you broke your leg and had to go on workmans comp and there was a delay in getting paid when Obama was President? Yeah, I'm going to drain that swamp. Who's with me? Oh... really? This many of you? Look I really just want to lose so I can start a TV network which you guys would watch...'" It's funny because you just described Hillary Clinton.
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Post by blackbarney on Jun 24, 2017 17:39:20 GMT -5
She didn't do nothing as Sec of State and I don't think she would have done nothing as prez
That's why people were so scared of her
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Post by illram on Jun 25, 2017 16:40:35 GMT -5
Not by his fans. It's the opposite--everything everyone else says is fake news, concocted to stymie his righteous struggle. How much nothing are you willing to hold onto? What do you mean?
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Post by bucket415 on Jun 26, 2017 18:22:22 GMT -5
How much nothing are you willing to hold onto? What do you mean? Everything that "his fans" have been saying is fake...well, is fake. Everyday more and more is proven fake. The entire Russia collusion narrative...100% fake. The Russian "dossier", the thing that the Obama admin used in order to get a judge to allow them to spy, was fake. It was put together by some 4chan kids and some Clinton organization is behind it politicizing it. Every single person in the know, from Obamaites, to Congress, to Senate, etc., have publicly stated that there is ZERO evidence of any of it. Why? Because its fake. Trump was never even under investigation. So I'll ask again...How much nothing are you willing to hold on to?
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pachiderm
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Post by pachiderm on Jun 26, 2017 19:25:09 GMT -5
The Steele Dossier is 100% real. Please post a conservative news outlet or a reddit thread on /r/TheDonald saying it's not so I can laugh at it.
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Post by illram on Jun 27, 2017 2:46:12 GMT -5
So that Russia thing he fired Comey over is fake? OK. What else? Is the CBO report on Trumpcare fake? How about those Carrier jobs moving to Mexico, is that fake? DeVos eliminating student loan borrower protections and handing servicing over to one single company? Fake? Eliminating regulations preventing the GSA from awarding federal contracts to companies with a history of stealing their employees’ wages? Giving Israeli intel to Russia, shitting on NATO, praising Putin... fake? Inviting Duterte to the WH, praising al-Sisi---ffffaaaaaaaake?
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Post by qupie on Jun 27, 2017 5:17:13 GMT -5
Everything that "his fans" have been saying is fake...well, is fake. Everyday more and more is proven fake. The entire Russia collusion narrative...100% fake. The Russian "dossier", the thing that the Obama admin used in order to get a judge to allow them to spy, was fake. It was put together by some 4chan kids and some Clinton organization is behind it politicizing it. Every single person in the know, from Obamaites, to Congress, to Senate, etc., have publicly stated that there is ZERO evidence of any of it. Why? Because its fake. Trump was never even under investigation. So I'll ask again...How much nothing are you willing to hold on to? Source?
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Post by blackbarney on Jun 27, 2017 7:11:28 GMT -5
He's like Keiser Soze
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 2:54:45 GMT -5
As far as I can tell a lot of Trump zealotry comes from the situation in Europe. The moistest zealots look at Europe and see a sh itstorm brewing. They see a failing European Union under terrible management. When the EU wants countries whose leaders get into power through a coup you're not exactly under good management. They see migrants flooding in and causing havoc in many European nations, and they know all too well what that caused in the US. They see countries like Poland and Hungary cut their welfare, shut out the immigrants, and are currently deemed among the safest countries in Europe. They see the German and Swedish governments, with the media, are actively censoring people and criminalizing hate speech when they see their nations' security compromised. Then they turn to the US. They see a leader who is ousting illegal immigrants, bringing jobs back (so it seems), and a 9-0 ruling from the US Supreme Court to keep "The Muslim Travel Ban" going. They see the media diminish in power as they focus more on writing nasty things about Trump to pedal profits over actually reporting the news. And don't think I'm not aware of Breitbart- I know it's happening on the other side, too. In their eyes and given the state of Europe, the Trump supporters want to send all the migrants back, have Europe up their birth rate, start taking their security matters more seriously, and leaving the EU if it does't work for them. This sort of like what the US is currently doing... like it should be doing, anyway. That's it, really. Nobody pays attention to his multi-million-dollar vacations. Nobody pays attentions to his unwillingness to address the environment, or the other thing he is or isn't doing. Well- people might see it. They just don't see it as something very important. People just see a smart person, more focused than anyone else in office, with an image that's hard to tarnish. And that's very rare- this man has certainly done things that would end any other politician's career.
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Post by qupie on Jul 3, 2017 4:23:20 GMT -5
Whoah, I live in Europe, I did not know we were doing so badly (we aren't).
Trust in the EU (European union) has not been this high in the past years, and all past elections employed pro EU leaders, except for great Britain, who seem to regret their choices.
Where did you get this stuff? Fox news? I don't know a single European who would like to move to US right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 6:21:13 GMT -5
Oh ho ho, Fox wishes they can pull off a narrative like that. Leave it to a bunch of anonymous people with plenty of spare time on a forum somewhere to make this stuff up. They see Sweden in particular getting flooded with political correctness. I'm pretty sure Sweden was already like that before the migrants came.
Sooo... the internet is full of retards, but also the airwaves are so flooded with garbage it's a case of "Hear everything, trust nothing".
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pachiderm
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Post by pachiderm on Jul 3, 2017 10:29:36 GMT -5
Beaver, I think you're getting your impressions of Trump supporters from 4chan and not from actual people.
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Post by Will on Jul 4, 2017 1:58:27 GMT -5
Tweeting wrestling memes = guaranteed re-election
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 3:44:36 GMT -5
Beaver, I think you're getting your impressions of Trump supporters from 4chan and not from actual people. Very well- point me to these actual people!
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Post by blackbarney on Jul 10, 2017 10:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 13:50:10 GMT -5
>Clickbait title
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Post by blackbarney on Jul 10, 2017 14:06:20 GMT -5
yeah the title is AWFUL but honestly it's a really compelling piece of reporting by this guy from Oz who seems to really "get it"
worth watching, I promise.
...also, i kind of want to shave you
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:23:36 GMT -5
yeah the title is AWFUL but honestly it's a really compelling piece of reporting by this guy from Oz who seems to really "get it" worth watching, I promise. ...also, i kind of want to shave you Ignoring the rhetoric: -Donald Trump was elected president of the United States- not the UN. His interests should first and foremost reflect that of the interests of the United States of America. Not that Australian reporter. Not me. The US. -Not standing up to North Korea? Is North Korea even an practical threat to the US? I'd say there's no evidence to support that statement- here's something more likely. Imagine if China only kept N Korea alive to trade for ridiculously cheap iron and coal. North Korea knows it'll eventually run out of these things, so it tries to build nuclear arms to protect itself against the inevitable. The US isn't really threatened by Korea, so it really makes no sense pissing off Russia and China to do something they don't want in a way that doesn't benefit either of them. This pressuring N Korea narrative feels like stirring drama for clicks over valuing sensible business relationships. -How does a man with a high IQ not believe in climate change? Not sure- it would be pretty neat if Trump sat down and explained why he believed this, until then I can't really say this is good. -He uses Twitter to sh itpost. He sh itposts IRL. He knows. Everyone knows. It's why he's the most valuable name on the internet. And he's right there reporting on it anyway... is anyone just not learning anything here? Yeah... no, that was clickbait. Nothing really made me think or question anything. It was just baseless whining for money, not journalism.
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Post by blackbarney on Jul 10, 2017 17:28:11 GMT -5
North Korea is a threat to world stability
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:30:33 GMT -5
imagine actively trying to throw a presidency and still having followers make up a hero fantasy about you imagine being DoNaLd FuC kInG tRuMp and managing to convince half of america that you arent there to serve the elite The rules of rulership- only appease those who keep you in power. The only thing democracy adds is more people to appease. Donald Trump never made a case explaining why he's there to purely serve the middle and lower classes- because he can't. Nobody can in that position. Put anyone in his position- if they ruled like a saint they won't rule for long. That's just the way of it.
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Post by illram on Jul 10, 2017 18:58:36 GMT -5
What? Trump ran a very populist "I'm in it for the working man" campaign. One of his primary campaign themes was he's such a rich business man that he's not in anybody's pocket and he is going to drain the swamp of all these corrupt politicians yada yada blah blah blah. He was very clearly trying to appeal to middle and lower class voters. Especially white ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 3:02:16 GMT -5
No, wait, you're right. Take all my Trump tokens. I lost my credibility.
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qupie
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Post by qupie on Jul 12, 2017 4:12:30 GMT -5
imagine actively trying to throw a presidency and still having followers make up a hero fantasy about you imagine being DoNaLd FuC kInG tRuMp and managing to convince half of america that you arent there to serve the elite then imagine raising your son to be a complete fu cking imbicile And naming him after yourself
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