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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 17, 2016 16:27:58 GMT -5
I do not have an apple device. If someone could post a spreadsheet, that would be great. BTW i would gladly pay if it were on android. same Been getting a lot of requests for Android. Very close to getting things wrapped up on the Android app. Best guess is it will be out in ~10 days and just like the iOS version, there will be both a paid and free version of the app. Thanks for your interest! |
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Post by therealdf on Nov 17, 2016 16:55:18 GMT -5
The only interest in your app, was the fact that you were holding Stats for ransom. Something you have no IP claim over even remotely.
Thinking Marv is the only person who can get these stats is your mistake, and your waste of money. Now that I know this scam has been going on, I promise to leak the stats every COD to prevent this from getting so far in the future.
These aren't yours to sell, everyone in the world has the right to Free Information. And your app is nothing without these stats, so in that sense you are charging for Free Information.
You may as well move your scam away from the COD franchise, because there wont be a dime here for you to extort any longer.
Wonderful job Lacking.
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Post by noyoucannot on Nov 17, 2016 17:07:34 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Quickdraw has different % reduction for each weapon type in IW. Anyone seen any info on that yet?
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 17, 2016 17:13:08 GMT -5
Hey Ethan, sorry to hear you feel this way. I had no idea. Just wanted to clarify a few things though:
- Posting/taking screenshots is totally cool, just not a screenshot of literally every page in the app. I don't want to ban anyone, especially not for something they paid for. I had even said that in an earlier post.
- If you want to do the work to organize the stats, that is awesome. I find it to be tedious and enjoy working on other parts of the app more, plus Marv is a great guy who I enjoy working with. I've taken the approach that the app format is more helpful for gamers as it allows for much more diverse and interactive content than can be done with an excel document alone. The trouble is that creating a custom piece of software like an app takes a lot more time than just making a spreadsheet, but I believe it is worth it. I know that everyone has already paid $60 or $80 for the game and you would rather save that extra $5, but please understand that I not only have to pay Marvel for his help, but some of my YouTube friends for helping to share it with the community, plus a graphic artist for designing the UI, another developer for converting it to Android, two attorneys (one for general business and one for IP), and various other contractors from time to time. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love what I do and am incredibly thankful that I get to play video games and design my own software, but it simply isn't possible to do that without generating some form of revenue.
Thanks again for your feedback and sorry it isn't more positive. You've got my twitter if you need anything else.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention that just like last year, Marvel will eventually be posting the stats sheet for everyone to use for free.
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 17, 2016 17:28:13 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Quickdraw has different % reduction for each weapon type in IW. Anyone seen any info on that yet? I will look this up and let you know exact values. My guess is that different weapon classes have different reduction amounts, but don't want to say for sure until I check. |
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Post by haoz on Nov 17, 2016 17:39:09 GMT -5
Alright, I can't stand by and watch this bullshit of a thread anymore. Weapon Statistics are not meant to be, and will not be sold or locked behind any type of paywall. Selling your app is one thing, but forcing people to pay money to see numbers from the game they own is a whole different thing, it should be Donationware at most. I respected Marvel4 and even worked with him on the Advanced Warfare Sheet, since Black Ops III he's been requesting payment for a not-at-all hard to task to pull off, I can't respect him, same with Brass Monkeigh for the earlier stated reasons. Threatening people to ban them from an app they payed for just because they're taking screenshots, paying Marv to not give anyone else Stats, etc. If you've purchased this app, refund it, Apple allows you to try apps for a limited time. I've pulled every single .CSV from Infinite Warfare prntscr.com/d8l74v , and will be maintaining a 100%-Free Statistic Chart this year, and for the years to come. Weapon Statistics will not be sold. As a Moderator on all of the Call of Duty Subreddits, I will make sure that Brass Monkeigh's Apps are not advertised anywhere on the Subreddits, it's a scam. Here's the catch, this year it's a Foxtroting mess, stats aren't all in one nice-and-neat .CSV File, they're scattered throughout multiple files and the columns aren't even labeled, Variants also seem to be misnamed. So, I'm going to need an extra hand or two on this job with me, most likely just for this year, depending on how they do it for the years to come. I've already got a sheet made with some statistics filled in (below), all Weapons and their Variants are there, I just need some help sorting the .CSV's, figuring out which stats are which, etc. If you're interested, let me know. Sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UZ5OKX2fOpdh-P8mttDChv4bfewEoqxkMgPVfNuk4x0/edit?usp=sharingMarvel's been doing this stat stuff on a volunteer basis for a long time. If he wants to set up a way to get compensated for his time, then good for him. The stats for BO3 got released for free a few months after release anyway, and throughout all the many patches we've had in BO3, he's been fastidious in keeping things updated. Anyone can volunteer their time to do the same task. In fact, it's good that we have more people willing to do it, since interest in CoD among the long-time members here seems pretty low. I look forward to seeing the stats in chart form, either when your spreadsheet is filled, or when marvel releases his own spreadsheet. I don't think the app is that useful, but if it helps marvel out a bit, then why not. It's 5$. |
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Post by grimm8420 on Nov 17, 2016 17:58:26 GMT -5
Honestly I would get the app anyway even if there was a free stats sheet. I appreciate the work that these guys are doing and it's totally cool if you want to do it too, but calling something a scam just because it isn't free makes no sense
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Post by fpsdredd on Nov 17, 2016 18:19:55 GMT -5
Marvel's also been lying to all of you, telling you that it's this big, complicated task that only he can do, it's not. A non-intrusive Donation button is fine, but selling numbers that he does not own and forcing others to pay "only $5" for something that should be free. Doesn't matter his tenure, Marvel's out of business in my book, blew his chance. I understand that you are upset. You need to see the reality though. Someone has to do the work and I sure as Foxtrot don't want to. 5 bucks means nothing to me to get the information reliably. I've played CoD when stats weren't a thing and it sucks. You can promise to get stats but I'll see you in 3 years. edit:I like the idea of stats on the phone btw |
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 17, 2016 18:45:05 GMT -5
Daily Update:
- I have added all of the domination flag locations to the maps
- I added more detailed info on the grenades, including blast damage, radius, and fuse time
- I added units on several items in the stats (as suggested by haoz)
- I added more hitbox multipliers (as suggested by JustABitAgroed)
Still in the works:
- Finish adding in weapons that were improperly named in the stats files.
- Add in TTK & DPS over distance graphs
- Add in more detailed info for rigs, attachments & perks
- Add in more objective locations for other game types + callouts to maps
- Improve Pwn Box mechanism for seeing who/how many people are online. Chat is currently flooded by "_____ joined the chat" messages.
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Post by netherwind on Nov 17, 2016 21:22:22 GMT -5
I really can't wait for Android version anymore, so I picked up official guide, which turns out to be the best ever of any cod, it has very complete information from RoF, Shots to kill distance, reload time(add, normal, empty)even has recoil plot that's very much like how probaddie does it and they have it with or without grip.
The biggest catch is it has no stats at all for secondary, shotgun damage not break down by pallets, I think the shot to kill is assuming all pallets hit. It also does not calculate ttk for you, so you have to do it yourself to find out fastest killing gun at x distance. Nor does it have any prototype stats.
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Post by tacticalpower88 on Nov 18, 2016 2:04:59 GMT -5
Been reading this thread for a while and I feel its time to add my bi-partisan two cents. To be fair its not like BM or Marvel4 are selling the stats to us directly as stats are only one feature of the app. Its a $5 app that is shaping up to essentially be a in-depth strategy guide like package that goes beyond just covering statistics. As a gamer since the NES days, I can bring up lots of examples of strategy guides that are a whole lot less in-depth yet they charge you a whole lot more. I will say that while you guys shouldn't be savage enough to post screenshots of the entire app as images are understandably subject to copyright, Understand that you guys are fully within your rights to share the statistics/info obtained from the app via your own spreadsheet or something similar.
It looked like the first guy that was putting together his own spreadsheet was intimidated into taking it down when he really had no reason to do so. Nobody should have a problem at all if BM/Marvel4 expect payment for the service of mining stats and conveniently bundling it in a app package for you but they have no power whatsoever over the distribution of information itself. As a guy that has freely shared information with us for years, Marvel4 knows this side of things first hand. I could spend $0.50 and 5 minutes of my time to make my very own grilled cheese but if my local deli wants to charge me $2 for the convenience of making it for me and saving me the trouble of cleaning up afterwards I really can't complain about that as its just a option I can accept or decline at my leisure. On that note, My local deli can't intimidate me for using or sharing the same grilled cheese recipe either.
I fully agree that BM, Marvel4 or anybody else for that matter is completely within their right to seek compensation for any service they offer without being shamed for it. The fact that this app seems to have the goal of squeezing in a lot of useful info in a mobile friendly package (spreadsheets on mobile aren't the best) it seems like a very viable convenience option for $5. I could honestly see myself getting more than $5 worth of use out of it once it matures. Supporting a guy that has helped me and a lot of people for years (even indirectly on YT channels such as Drift0r and Ace) honestly makes this $5 app even harder to complain about. If the convenience of the app as well as supporting a reliable source like Marvel4 isn't worth the $5 to you thats perfectly fine as well, just don't buy it and go about freely obtaining COD info like you always have.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 18, 2016 3:22:19 GMT -5
brassmonkeigh The app crashes when you click on the Spartan, P-LAW, or Howitzer.
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 18, 2016 5:42:40 GMT -5
brassmonkeigh The app crashes when you click on the Spartan, P-LAW, or Howitzer. Thanks for reporting this. It has been fixed. |
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Post by qupie on Nov 18, 2016 8:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by vcarnage on Nov 18, 2016 11:55:10 GMT -5
Alright, I can't stand by and watch this bullshit of a thread anymore. Weapon Statistics are not meant to be, and will not be sold or locked behind any type of paywall. Selling your app is one thing, but forcing people to pay money to see numbers from the game they own is a whole different thing, it should be Donationware at most. I respected Marvel4 and even worked with him on the Advanced Warfare Sheet, since Black Ops III he's been requesting payment for a not-at-all hard to task to pull off, I can't respect him, same with Brass Monkeigh for the earlier stated reasons. Threatening people to ban them from an app they payed for just because they're taking screenshots, paying Marv to not give anyone else Stats, etc. If you've purchased this app, refund it, Apple allows you to try apps for a limited time. I've pulled every single .CSV from Infinite Warfare prntscr.com/d8l74v , and will be maintaining a 100%-Free Statistic Chart this year, and for the years to come. Weapon Statistics will not be sold. As a Moderator on all of the Call of Duty Subreddits, I will make sure that Brass Monkeigh's Apps are not advertised anywhere on the Subreddits, it's a scam. Here's the catch, this year it's a Foxtroting mess, stats aren't all in one nice-and-neat .CSV File, they're scattered throughout multiple files and the columns aren't even labeled, Variants also seem to be misnamed. So, I'm going to need an extra hand or two on this job with me, most likely just for this year, depending on how they do it for the years to come. I've already got a sheet made with some statistics filled in (below), all Weapons and their Variants are there, I just need some help sorting the .CSV's, figuring out which stats are which, etc. If you're interested, let me know. Sheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UZ5OKX2fOpdh-P8mttDChv4bfewEoqxkMgPVfNuk4x0/edit?usp=sharingThank You so much for all your effort. Unbelievably grateful! When will you be updating this chart? |
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Post by tacticalpower88 on Nov 18, 2016 14:29:09 GMT -5
''Alright, I can't stand by and watch this bullshit of a thread anymore. Weapon Statistics are not meant to be, and will not be sold or locked behind any type of paywall. Selling your app is one thing, but forcing people to pay money to see numbers from the game they own is a whole different thing, it should be Donationware at most. I respected Marvel4 and even worked with him on the Advanced Warfare Sheet, since Black Ops III he's been requesting payment for a not-at-all hard to task to pull off, I can't respect him, same with Brass Monkeigh for the earlier stated reasons. Threatening people to ban them from an app they payed for just because they're taking screenshots, paying Marv to not give anyone else Stats, etc. If you've purchased this app, refund it, Apple allows you to try apps for a limited time.'' Your efforts are very appreciated and I am looking forward to seeing them mature but labeling Marvel4 and BM scammers just because they expect a small compensation for a service they provide is very unjustified and childishly disrespectful. As someone that also provides tech related services for a living I am offended by your stance on this. Let them provide the service of transferring in-depth COD info in a mobile friendly format for $5 for those of us that want it. Long live your 100% free spreadsheet but knock it off with the disrespectful slander. If info based app devs just allowed people to take screenshots of the entire app, what purpose would there be of buying it at all? Sharing the info found in the app or anywhere else via your own spreadsheet is perfectly fine (and encouraged by den bros everywhere) but obviously BM or any app dev would have a problem with folks blatantly pirating their apps complete with pictures and all. You have poorly drawn the line between people needing to find ways to earn a living vs people out to steal your money. What makes your comment even worse is that its directed at someone who has more than paid his dues to the COD data mining scene. |
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Post by pachiderm on Nov 18, 2016 16:28:23 GMT -5
I can't wait to see what happens when the next Treyarch game is released and everyone realizes the files are encrypted again. It's easy to downplay what Marvel does when doing it yourself requires little more than sifting through the game files (and needing help even with that I might add), and it's understandable that there's some pushback on this since Infinity Ward is notorious for doing very little to secure their games. However, I remember waiting months for the BO2 stats because no one on here had cracked the encryption. I'm all for people doing their own data-mining to save $5, but there will likely come a time again where the only one who is willing to take the absurd amount of time needed to extract the stats from the latest CoD is Marvel. Let's hope he sticks around for when we need him again.
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 18, 2016 16:52:00 GMT -5
Mid day update:
I added TTK and DPS graphs, but the update requires a full version update, meaning it must go through Apple. This can take a few days, so I will post when it goes live.
Next on my list is to add Search bomb sites. Those should be in the app by the end of the day.
Additionally, Marvel just let me know that there has been a new patch to Infinite Warfare which has changed some of the stats. Once we get the new stats, I will update the app accordingly.
EDIT: Patch notes show Volk tuning, we can assume it was a nerf.
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Post by illram on Nov 18, 2016 16:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Nov 18, 2016 17:36:24 GMT -5
When are variants going to be added out of curiosity?
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Post by haoz on Nov 18, 2016 19:06:29 GMT -5
The battle of the spreadsheets |
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Post by haoz on Nov 18, 2016 19:07:49 GMT -5
I can't wait to see what happens when the next Treyarch game is released and everyone realizes the files are encrypted again. It's easy to downplay what Marvel does when doing it yourself requires little more than sifting through the game files (and needing help even with that I might add), and it's understandable that there's some pushback on this since Infinity Ward is notorious for doing very little to secure their games. However, I remember waiting months for the BO2 stats because no one on here had cracked the encryption. I'm all for people doing their own data-mining to save $5, but there will likely come a time again where the only one who is willing to take the absurd amount of time needed to extract the stats from the latest CoD is Marvel. Let's hope he sticks around for when we need him again. Treyarch can do all this encryption and whatever, but their games perform so poorly. BO3 still has bugs. And those loading times. It seems to me that SHG and IW are more competent technically, but the community loves 3arch, and somewhat justifiably, since they have a good sense of balancing gameplay elements. |
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Post by banana on Nov 18, 2016 19:27:43 GMT -5
IW is very balanced besides shotguns and the Volk but that got nerfed
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Post by haoz on Nov 18, 2016 21:55:42 GMT -5
IW is very balanced besides shotguns and the Volk but that got nerfed I mean the guns are balanced, but not so sure on the rigs. But then again you can't balance that stuff. |
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Post by tacticalpower88 on Nov 19, 2016 2:41:51 GMT -5
I mean the guns are balanced, but not so sure on the rigs. But then again you can't balance that stuff. I think you can balance the rigs/specialist system but they would have to radically change it. If they make them like slightly nerfed versions of BO3 specialist abilities (no weapons) as well as making them so they are earned like assault killstreaks instead of handing them out to every1 via a participation points system it will actually make them a asset to the game. These changes will greatly reduce the constant annoyance they impose due to being too powerful/frequently encountered and it will also be something that helps good players stick out from the pack a little more. This idea will help balance the easy to pick up and play aspect vs maintaining skill gap ratio a bit better. The powerband would be designed with the idea of giving you a small to moderate advantage on the battlefield while activated but nothing so crazy where you can get a easy out against someone outplaying you. With this, COD can go from constantly turning corners into someone with a fresh +150% HP kinetic or a insta melt specialist weapon to OCCASIONALLY turning the corner and running into some1 that could take just 1 extra shot before dying or have noticeably lower recoil and/or less flinch for a short duration. Obviously you want to have a noticeable advantage while activated but nothing that constantly imposes almost impossible to survive situations for players going against them. How many times have I been on a streak, shot a guy 2 or 3 times before they even reacted only to find out they randomly had something like a eraser/annihilator/war machine in the most BS way possible... lol |
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Post by banana on Nov 19, 2016 14:13:33 GMT -5
Replying to say that I understand both sides and that this reply is important because I'm important
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Post by haoz on Nov 19, 2016 16:19:28 GMT -5
Drift0r says the NV4-Vigilance fires at 769 RPM. The base is 606 RPM. Unless there's a nerf in another area, doesn't this make the Vigilance pretty much the best NV4? Maybe it explains how the NV4 kills so fast sometimes.
And Ace says long barrel gives 25% bonus range to ARs. Can combine with suppressor (25% reduction) for net 90% range (93.75% actually).
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Post by lustindarkness on Nov 19, 2016 16:43:36 GMT -5
I thought I was crazy, it does feel like it kills faster than the base variant.
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Post by haoz on Nov 19, 2016 16:46:10 GMT -5
@monkeigh. I think you should look into making your app use screen space more efficiently. Currently I pul up a weapon, and I get a box that only uses a portion of the screen. Then, the upper portion of the box is taken up by a static picture of the weapon, and the stats are in the lower 2/3s of the box. It should be that as I scroll down to see the stats, the Stat/Killshots/Graph/etc menu slides up to cover up the image of the weapon, leaving only the name of the weapon at the top. And the current way of listing data using two lines per item is inefficient. I'd advise a layout that looks like
Type | SMG
Max Damage | 30
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i.e. as two columns left-aligned and right-aligned.
Then there has to be some rearrangement of the damage multiplier information. Those headings can be renamed, e.g. Damage Multiplier Head -> Head multiplier. Nonetheless, all the multiplier information takes up too much space as single entries. I would try to move that information into a new tab or incorporate it into the Killshots tab somehow.
Speaking of the killshots tab, you really should replace that weird skeleton image, with like a full body figure for instance. Then I would rotate the damage slider to be horizontal; it makes no sense for it to be a third column next to Core and HC.
Anyway, it's your app, but I do think the interface design is meh. I'll say that the browsing page for each gun category looks decent, although the front page that the user first sees is not great. Again too little usage of the top half of the screen.
A different bug: go to maps. Open any map. Rotate phone screen to landscape. Click Done. Now the app is stuck in some weird landscape mode. I have to clear the app from memory and restart.
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 19, 2016 16:59:36 GMT -5
@monkeigh. I think you should look into making your app use screen space more efficiently. Currently I pul up a weapon, and I get a box that only uses a portion of the screen. Then, the upper portion of the box is taken up by a static picture of the weapon, and the stats are in the lower 2/3s of the box. It should be that as I scroll down to see the stats, the Stat/Killshots/Graph/etc menu slides up to cover up the image of the weapon, leaving only the name of the weapon at the top. And the current way of listing data using two lines per item is inefficient. I'd advise a layout that looks like Type | SMG Max Damage | 30 ... i.e. as two columns left-aligned and right-aligned. Then there has to be some rearrangement of the damage multiplier information. Those headings can be renamed, e.g. Damage Multiplier Head -> Head multiplier. Nonetheless, all the multiplier information takes up too much space as single entries. I would try to move that information into a new tab or incorporate it into the Killshots tab somehow. Speaking of the killshots tab, you really should replace that weird skeleton image, with like a full body figure for instance. Then I would rotate the damage slider to be horizontal; it makes no sense for it to be a third column next to Core and HC. Anyway, it's your app, but I do think the interface design is meh. I'll say that the browsing page for each gun category looks decent, although the front page that the user first sees is not great. Again too little usage of the top half of the screen. A different bug: go to maps. Open any map. Rotate phone screen to landscape. Click Done. Now the app is stuck in some weird landscape mode. I have to clear the app from memory and restart. I like the idea of consolidating the stats from two lines to one and having separate columns. I can definitely play around with this. I personally prefer the pop-up vs a new screen though as it shortens the animation time between screen transitions and I tried to still have it take up nearly all of the view. I'll definitely consider other options though. The kill shots damage slider is on the far right in order to allow for a larger skeleton/body image. Placing it below would mean a much smaller hotbox model. Not sure I would like that, but again happy to consider any and all ideas! As for the maps, I will look into this and 100% get that fixed. That sounds super annoying and not how the maps should be functioning. Thanks for reporting it! |
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