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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Oct 7, 2017 12:34:20 GMT -5
Are the shotguns terrible?
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Post by freshmuffins on Oct 7, 2017 19:30:39 GMT -5
Are the shotguns terrible? Probably the worst shotguns to date in any CoD game, at least on the PC side. Not sure what they were like on consoles or if they're balanced separately. |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Oct 9, 2017 8:55:22 GMT -5
Are the shotguns terrible? Yo. The Trench gun is actually almost legit (beastin). It's got like a 40M reach. |
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Post by banana on Oct 11, 2017 18:00:01 GMT -5
I'll see, it depends on my schoolwork
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Post by Usagi on Oct 11, 2017 18:02:57 GMT -5
Are the shotguns terrible? Honestly they could be worse. I never used Expeditionary so all of my experiences were without incendiary shells. The trenchgun has insane reach, comparable to the few good shotguns the franchise has had. The big downside is that it's very, VERY inconsistent. Me and Legit keep comparing it to the MW3 1887. It seems to have all the makings of a great pump shotgun but for some reason it wont OHK somebody thats right in your face somewhat often, and sometimes it'll down somebody at the very end of your reach in 1 or 2 shots. I never saw it take more than 3 shots to kill even at tickle range and has the usual ~60 RPM. Very usable once you have SA and Adv Rifling, just be prepared for the frustrating randomness. I found it pretty enjoyable overall but depending on how the rest of the maps are, that could change. I wish I'd been recording my gameplay so I could make a hitmarker montage. The Toggle Action is the best of the 3 IMO. It's basically a nerfed Brecci. Identical ROF but significantly reduced range (nearly halved), mag size (only 6 rounds), and slightly reduced damage (2-4HK instead of 2-3). Like the Brecci, the Toggle Action is a prefire beast but since you only have 6 rounds, ExMags is absolutely necessary. Thankfully the hipfire spread is extremely tight so SA isn't needed. Scavenger is pretty important but GungHo is really fun to use with it. Had a great time with this one. The Double Barrel is trash but kirbyderby said the Rifle Bullet attachment for it is pretty fun if you can stand getting the gun to max level. |
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Post by kylet357 on Oct 11, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
Are the shotguns terrible? Honestly they could be worse. I never used Expeditionary so all of my experiences were without incendiary shells. The trenchgun has insane reach, comparable to the few good shotguns the franchise has had. The big downside is that it's very, VERY inconsistent. Me and Legit keep comparing it to the MW3 1887. It seems to have all the makings of a great pump shotgun but for some reason it wont OHK somebody thats right in your face somewhat often, and sometimes it'll down somebody at the very end of your reach in 1 or 2 shots. I never saw it take more than 3 shots to kill even at tickle range and has the usual ~60 RPM. Very usable once you have SA and Adv Rifling, just be prepared for the frustrating randomness. I found it pretty enjoyable overall but depending on how the rest of the maps are, that could change. I wish I'd been recording my gameplay so I could make a hitmarker montage. The Toggle Action is the best of the 3 IMO. It's basically a nerfed Brecci. Identical ROF but significantly reduced range (nearly halved), mag size (only 6 rounds), and slightly reduced damage (2-4HK instead of 2-3). Like the Brecci, the Toggle Action is a prefire beast but since you only have 6 rounds, ExMags is absolutely necessary. Thankfully the hipfire spread is extremely tight so SA isn't needed. Scavenger is pretty important but GungHo is really fun to use with it. Had a great time with this one. The Double Barrel is trash but kirbyderby said the Rifle Bullet attachment for it is pretty fun if you can stand getting the gun to max level. Rifle Bullet is actually really good. |
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Post by noyoucannot on Nov 3, 2017 4:28:49 GMT -5
I used the free prestige token I got for pre-ordering the game to unlock the BAR. 4 shot kill from what I can tell, if there's a 3 shot range it must be really close. Way slower fire rate than M1941. Seems bad, pretty much already given up on it. Was hoping for a good 3 shot kill range since it was obviously going to have a pretty slow fire rate.
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 3, 2017 9:17:48 GMT -5
I used the free prestige token I got for pre-ordering the game to unlock the BAR. 4 shot kill from what I can tell, if there's a 3 shot range it must be really close. Way slower fire rate than M1941. Seems bad, pretty much already given up on it. Was hoping for a good 3 shot kill range since it was obviously going to have a pretty slow fire rate. As long as we're talking about disappointing token unlocks, I used mine on the Flanker basic training, which delays mine explosions and keeps you off the UAV while moving "quickly." It's bugged on PS4. It has the same transparent arrow on the minimap that we've seen from past games to let you know you're "ghosted," but sometimes it just fails to activate even when lightweight excon sprinting with the Airborne division. It isn't just a display bug either, because I've been killed by people who very obviously used the UAV to find me. It works most of the time, but it's pretty awkward when it fails behind the enemy spawn when a UAV goes up. Buyer beware, I guess. |
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Post by banana on Nov 3, 2017 12:12:35 GMT -5
I used the free prestige token I got for pre-ordering the game to unlock the BAR. 4 shot kill from what I can tell, if there's a 3 shot range it must be really close. Way slower fire rate than M1941. Seems bad, pretty much already given up on it. Was hoping for a good 3 shot kill range since it was obviously going to have a pretty slow fire rate. It does have a 3 shot. I don't have the game yet but most of the pros have been using it and from what i can tell from their gameplay, it has a 3 shot. The Fg-42 has a way bigger 3 shot range but it shoots slower i think. It has a 20 round mag too |
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Post by pachiderm on Nov 3, 2017 22:44:55 GMT -5
The FG-42 shoots slower than the BAR? Why did they even make this a WW2 game?
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Post by thexclusiveace on Nov 4, 2017 0:23:51 GMT -5
Found a friend to Share the game off of for Steam, but Steam doesn't allow Pre-Loads when Sharing so it'll be a couple days after launch until I've got everything. I'll make a new thread here once I've got Stats. If you guys can share some handtested values from the full build that'll speed up the process, the more the better. I hand-tested the Rate of Fire for all of the guns at 60FPS. Hopefully this helps! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gFKLeJiKdQNeadAN71WrYCLXoedOrmwrYubJEqGUHzA/edit?usp=sharing |
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Post by kylet357 on Nov 4, 2017 2:28:35 GMT -5
Found a friend to Share the game off of for Steam, but Steam doesn't allow Pre-Loads when Sharing so it'll be a couple days after launch until I've got everything. I'll make a new thread here once I've got Stats. If you guys can share some handtested values from the full build that'll speed up the process, the more the better. I hand-tested the Rate of Fire for all of the guns at 60FPS. Hopefully this helps! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gFKLeJiKdQNeadAN71WrYCLXoedOrmwrYubJEqGUHzA/edit?usp=sharingNice. Any plans on working this into a vid? I might be able to help with stuff. |
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Nov 4, 2017 5:34:49 GMT -5
Does the game even have a rangefinder or some way to measure distance?
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Post by banana on Nov 4, 2017 17:08:59 GMT -5
Found a friend to Share the game off of for Steam, but Steam doesn't allow Pre-Loads when Sharing so it'll be a couple days after launch until I've got everything. I'll make a new thread here once I've got Stats. If you guys can share some handtested values from the full build that'll speed up the process, the more the better. I hand-tested the Rate of Fire for all of the guns at 60FPS. Hopefully this helps! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gFKLeJiKdQNeadAN71WrYCLXoedOrmwrYubJEqGUHzA/edit?usp=sharing Awesome! |
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Post by snakex on Nov 5, 2017 6:34:49 GMT -5
I don't know if these has been posted somewhere else but here are shots to kill for most weapons I've tested on the firing range.
Assault Rifles
M1941 4-5
M1 Garand 2-3
STG44 4-5
M1A1 3-4
FG 42 3-4
BAR 3-4
SVT 2-3
Submachine Guns
Grease Gun 3-5
PPSH-41 4-6
TYPE 100 4-6
WAFFE 28 4-6
M1928 4-6
MP-40 3-6
Light Machine Guns
LEWIS 3-3
MG 15 4-4
BREN 3-3
MG 42 4-4
Pistols
P-08 3-5
1911 2-4
MACHINE PISTOL 4-6
Edit: corrected number for MPs
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Post by thexclusiveace on Nov 5, 2017 11:21:12 GMT -5
I don't know if these has been posted somewhere else but here are shots to kill for most weapons I've tested on the firing range. Assault Rifles M1941 4-5 M1 Garand 2-3 STG44 4-5 M1A1 3-4 FG 42 3-4 BAR 3-4 SVT 2-3 Submachine Guns Grease Gun 3-5 PPSH-41 4-6 TYPE 100 4-6 WAFFE 28 5-6 M1928 4-6 MP-40 4-6 Light Machine Guns LEWIS 3-3 MG 15 4-4 BREN 3-3 MG 42 4-4 Pistols P-08 3-5 1911 2-4 MACHINE PISTOL 4-6 Mostly correct. The Waffe has a 4 shot range and the MP40 has a short 3 shot range. Rifles are all accurate. I haven't tested LMGs or pistols in great detail yet so can't confirm. |
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Post by snakex on Nov 5, 2017 11:36:43 GMT -5
Mostly correct. The Waffe has a 4 shot range and the MP40 has a short 3 shot range. Rifles are all accurate. I haven't tested LMGs or pistols in great detail yet so can't confirm. Then it must be tiny, tested on firing range with advanced rifling on the nearest target. |
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Post by thexclusiveace on Nov 5, 2017 12:03:16 GMT -5
Mostly correct. The Waffe has a 4 shot range and the MP40 has a short 3 shot range. Rifles are all accurate. I haven't tested LMGs or pistols in great detail yet so can't confirm. Then it must be tiny, tested on firing range with advanced rifling on the nearest target. The 4 shot range of the Waffe appears to be about 250 inches and the 3 shot of the MP-40 looks to be just 100 inches based on my testing (assuming my method of measuring distance is as accurate as I think it is). |
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Post by Usagi on Nov 5, 2017 12:54:46 GMT -5
The Bren has a very significant 2HK range, not sure if it has a 3HK range at all. Thank goodness they buffed it from the beta.
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Post by grimm8420 on Nov 5, 2017 14:20:03 GMT -5
I don't know if these has been posted somewhere else but here are shots to kill for most weapons I've tested on the firing range. Assault Rifles M1941 4-5 M1 Garand 2-3 STG44 4-5 M1A1 3-4 FG 42 3-4 BAR 3-4 SVT 2-3 Submachine Guns Grease Gun 3-5 PPSH-41 4-6 TYPE 100 4-6 WAFFE 28 5-6 M1928 4-6 MP-40 4-6 Light Machine Guns LEWIS 3-3 MG 15 4-4 BREN 3-3 MG 42 4-4 Pistols P-08 3-5 1911 2-4 MACHINE PISTOL 4-6 Thanks for posting this. Has anyone confirmed fire rates or hitbox multipliers for snipers yet? |
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Post by banana on Nov 5, 2017 14:40:44 GMT -5
I don't know if these has been posted somewhere else but here are shots to kill for most weapons I've tested on the firing range. Assault Rifles M1941 4-5 M1 Garand 2-3 STG44 4-5 M1A1 3-4 FG 42 3-4 BAR 3-4 SVT 2-3 Submachine Guns Grease Gun 3-5 PPSH-41 4-6 TYPE 100 4-6 WAFFE 28 5-6 M1928 4-6 MP-40 4-6 Light Machine Guns LEWIS 3-3 MG 15 4-4 BREN 3-3 MG 42 4-4 Pistols P-08 3-5 1911 2-4 MACHINE PISTOL 4-6 Thanks for posting this. Has anyone confirmed fire rates or hitbox multipliers for snipers yet? fire rates from xclusiveace: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gFKLeJiKdQNeadAN71WrYCLXoedOrmwrYubJEqGUHzA/edit#gid=0 |
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Post by exxtrooper on Nov 5, 2017 17:15:50 GMT -5
I guess LMGs are useless from what I'm seeing. Even the MG42 is shafted.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 5, 2017 20:54:23 GMT -5
both from these stats and from just playing, it seems the bar is top tier
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Post by noyoucannot on Nov 5, 2017 22:51:14 GMT -5
The flinch reduction from Primed is very noticeable.
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Post by -3055- on Nov 6, 2017 14:37:53 GMT -5
i will say though, the perk system in this game is trash. the attachment system is also trash. the maps are godawful and incredibly uninspired and way too small on average.
War is a fun gamemode, but im afraid that's only because the game has only been out for less than a week and people don't know the ideal sightlines/spots/routes yet, and considering there's not any type of rng in that gamemode it's most likely going to become very very stale with the same spots being watched by snipers and the same routes being inaccessible due to unfavorable headglitch spots
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Nov 6, 2017 22:18:04 GMT -5
Found a friend to Share the game off of for Steam, but Steam doesn't allow Pre-Loads when Sharing so it'll be a couple days after launch until I've got everything. I'll make a new thread here once I've got Stats. If you guys can share some handtested values from the full build that'll speed up the process, the more the better. I hand-tested the Rate of Fire for all of the guns at 60FPS. Hopefully this helps! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gFKLeJiKdQNeadAN71WrYCLXoedOrmwrYubJEqGUHzA/edit?usp=sharingHoly sh it the Waffle got hit hard with the narf-hammer! It was so much fun at 1200rpm in the beta... Everything seems slower than what I thought. The M1941 and the Thompson are disappointingly slow... Curious about rapid fire in the final release. |
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Post by Usagi on Nov 6, 2017 23:05:33 GMT -5
Is there a way to always have incendiary shells loaded? having to stand still every time i spawn while i load them is really annoying.
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Post by snakex on Nov 7, 2017 6:59:28 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm or disprove that the sniper M1903 does 100 or more damage?
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Post by -3055- on Nov 7, 2017 14:05:05 GMT -5
incendiary rounds suck. because they force you to take a sub-optimal shotgunning class. Especially for the pump shotgun and the double barrel which require you to ADS to kill past melee range, the expeditionary class is a joke compared to the AR/SMG class
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Post by brassmonkeigh on Nov 7, 2017 14:36:37 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm or disprove that the sniper M1903 does 100 or more damage? Yes. Anywhere besides the foot will kill in 1 shot. |
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