It's time to go to war (Every Saturday 8pm)

[scb]

Send a message to SugarCopperBlue to play a group game, every Saturday 8pm ET 7pm CT 6pm MT 5pm PT



I finally worked through my noobishness to get my kills > deaths (was like -500), now it's time to get wins > losses.

What I want to do is get anybody who is interested to party up on XBOX, say at 1pm eastern time Sunday 01/24 (no football game until 3).

I'd suggest we do something like Domination where we can coordinate. If anybody has a lot of experience and wants to set up some tactics, I know I'm game to listen and learn.

All are welcome, just friend invite me if you're not on my list (SugarCopperBlue on XBOX Live) and I'll party invite everybody who is on at that time.

if anybody has any tips for class setup or whatever you don't feel like saying in game, please post here.

Only two rules I can think of. 1) Be cool. Chances are a lot of people won't be as experienced as you are. Let's all work together and get some wins, but learn from our losses. 2) Don't use a DEN clantag, we don't want our enemies to catch on. Useful voice chat has to be like nuclear superiority against uncoordinated opponents. Don't give them an excuse to bail and slow down the game starting.

Questions, comments, suggestions, flames, whatever, I'm open. Hopefully it will go well and we can try to do something more regular.

[mw0swedeking]

coordinate your killstreaks. Have at least two guys with UAV and C UAV, one guy with harrier, one with pavelow, one with care package and E-Airdrop, etc. Actually maybe just everyone should do care package, emergency airdrop, and one other personal preference... but that would feel like cheating. Also coordinate your weapons/attachments so you can ammo share. And have at least two guys who are ready with AA all the time, be it via OMA or just running cold blooded and stingers the whole game.

[scb]

I'll run UAV, CUAV and I dunno, Sentry Gun or something, as well as some anti-air. The whole thing is my idea, i'll run support stuff and maximize everybody else's fun.

edit: fix typo

[moses]

You've got to do this.

Everyone runs Cold-Blooded.
Every weapon silenced.
Every grenade thrown is a smoke grenade.

My dream clan, if a bit childish or silly, would be this setup, where we all rush hard. We make sure everyone knows where the campers are, so we quarantine areas and the filthy campers have to at least earn their kills.

If you can't do that, which if you don't have experienced members I don't recommend one bit, at least have one guy on your team Hardline one of the really accurate weapons with UAV, C-UAV, and Sentry. I know I certainly help my team, if not me as much, when I run an M4 with Hardline and all low killstreaks.

[mw0swedeking]

Well I would totally love to do this sometime but I work during that time on sundays.
And a twist on Moses' idea is to have one person not silenced not cold blooded, and lure them in to him... heheheh. They would probably learn pretty fast, though. But maybe not, reminds me of when I C4 the flag in CTF, and people just keep coming back for more. Don't bother killing the guy putting the C4 on the flag, just run in there and grab it, maybe he won't see you. The worst is when they all go for the flag at once...

[ssog]

Jan 22, 2010 1:15:49 GMT -5 moses said:

You've got to do this.

Everyone runs Cold-Blooded.
Every weapon silenced.
Every grenade thrown is a smoke grenade.

My dream clan, if a bit childish or silly, would be this setup, where we all rush hard. We make sure everyone knows where the campers are, so we quarantine areas and the filthy campers have to at least earn their kills.

I'd actually skip the silencer and go with a Thermal instead, especially if you're all going to be packing smokes.

Class #1-
Weapon of choice with Thermal Scope
Smokes/Claymores
One Man Army
Cold Blooded
Ninja

Class #2-
Weapon of choice with t00b
Smokes/C4
One Man Army
Danger Close
(any perk 3, maybe Scrambler if you're all going to coordinate)

Class #3-
Weapon of choice w/ HBS
Smokes/Blast Shield
OMA
Hardline
(any perk 3, maybe Scrambler if you all coordinate)

Basic gameplay- switch mostly back and forth between the first two classes, making sure everyone is using Class #1 when enemy air support is up so you aren't hindered by your complete lack of anti-air capabilities. Class #1 gives you unstoppable defensive capabilities (12 claymores on the map at any given moment, plus the ability to smoke up half the map and still see through it). Class #2 gives you enough offense to cause more than your fair share of ragequits. If you find that the other team is switching to Scrambler or Sitrep to counter your forest of claymores, switch to class #3 to make them pay for not using Ninja. Also, whenever you're 2 kills shy of a big killstreak reward (Harriers or better), switch to class #3 and notify your teammates so that they can take point and help you find enemies so you can get that last kill in relative safety. The third class also has Blast Shield in case the enemy retaliates with a ton of tubes of their own.

You don't have any silencers, but with all the smoke grenades you'll be tossing (make sure to toss one before every class change), it won't matter. The only thing you have to worry about is all the smoke causing the map to crash.

[nimrod6134]

I have been wondering if you could get a group to all use scrambler and counter UAV to really mess with the enemy. You would have a counter UAV up quite often with a team of 6 and when the enemy radar clears back up any enemies near you won't realize the UAV is now being scrambled rather than blocked. I think theoretically this could be very effective and probably really annoying to anyone who uses the minimap(most players I would assume).

[toysrme]

google f1a2. most of them suck, but a team full of suck will generally beat a lobby full of random in DOM.
those are your words to live by.

if you're going for wins & in dom & are going random (or have a team that REEEEEALLY needs the help) UAV+Jammer, always & have the crap players take UAV.
just make sure someone has a riot shield & understands how akimbo magnums work from it. & that a player or few has smoke.

[neverlast74]

I play dom a lot - but only solo- without team but only 5 other players around whereas most of them use domination to push their sniper headshot challanges .... or whatever some sitting in a corner.

Anyhow... things that I recommend: SMG, lightfood, because in dom speed > kills.
Tubes & thumper both very effective for dom games because you know where the Ts are (sitting in the base), as well as semtex grenades I found better then claymores. Basically I run like crazy to the base points trying to get 2 bases - in very few examples it makes sense to run through the base and hide outside, once all the enemy grens are fired, come back and take the base. But only if you know the other team really watches the base - and not pure by chances a T is close by and and tries to avoid losing a base. so it is more an idea than an often used tactic.
Important : position yourselfe between base A and B if only C is owned by the tangos. so you can easily within gren-throwing-range protect both bases. Most important - once you killed one or 2 guys, change position to protect both bases - or at least the one that gets constantly attacked.

The ultimate goal is - to have 2 bases - hide all the time until you get 200 points - and never see any enemy - only come out and throw grens/tubes to bases that are attacked even this without being seen. When you have no grens to defend your base - rush so you die and confuse the enemy. Then start all over again.

Do not take all 3 bases because then Ts will spawn everywhere as far as I know. - but you probably know that.

[ssog]

Jan 22, 2010 4:00:32 GMT -5 nimrod6134 said:

I have been wondering if you could get a group to all use scrambler and counter UAV to really mess with the enemy. You would have a counter UAV up quite often with a team of 6 and when the enemy radar clears back up any enemies near you won't realize the UAV is now being scrambled rather than blocked. I think theoretically this could be very effective and probably really annoying to anyone who uses the minimap(most players I would assume).

The way I look at it, Scrambler is 100% useless while CUAV is up, so why would you waste a perk slot on a perk that's going to be totally redundant throughout half of the match. It'd be like taking Steady Aim and then never hipfiring, or taking Commando and not knifing. I think you'd be better off going with Ninja. Let CUAV take out the enemy's UAV, then use Ninja so they can't just find you with HBSes, instead. I'd rather just have a team running Cold Blooded and ignore CUAV entirely, though, because then you're immune to enemy killstreaks, too.

[das147369]

While it sounds good IN THEORY to have an entire team use the same loadout/ tactics, this wouldn't work because eventually the enemy will wise up and choose loadouts to counter yours. Your entire team goes Coldblooded/ Rushing? They tear you up with Stopping Power LMGs. You try OMA tube spamming? They throw on the blast and Riot shields. You hang back with snipers? They go Lightweight SMGs and jump all over you.
My point is that no matter how well cooridinated your "single type" class / killstreak build is, it won't be as effective as a BALANCED team with rushers/campers, snipers/SMGs, cold blooded/hardline etc.

[ssog]

Jan 23, 2010 1:55:57 GMT -5 das147369 said:

While it sounds good IN THEORY to have an entire team use the same loadout/ tactics, this wouldn't work because eventually the enemy will wise up and choose loadouts to counter yours. Your entire team goes Coldblooded/ Rushing? They tear you up with Stopping Power LMGs. You try OMA tube spamming? They throw on the blast and Riot shields. You hang back with snipers? They go Lightweight SMGs and jump all over you.
My point is that no matter how well cooridinated your "single type" class / killstreak build is, it won't be as effective as a BALANCED team with rushers/campers, snipers/SMGs, cold blooded/hardline etc.

Hence why I recommended 3 different classes + One Man Army. If you use a tactic, and the enemy adjusts, then you can adjust and catch the enemy out all over again. After they switch to their Riot/Blast shield class to stop your Tube Spamming, switch to your Smoke/Thermal setup and flank them. When they switch to Cold Blooded, go back to the Tube.

Also, while I agree in general, I do think that Cold Blooded is the exception. I don't think you can ever have "too many" people running Cold Blooded. I think 6 CB users is much, much more effective than 5 CB users. For example, Predators might average 1.5 kills per call if nobody runs CB, 1 kill per call if 5 people run CB, and 0.1 kills per call if everybody runs CB. Harriers go from killing one guy 3-5 times to killing no guys. Everyone can get rid of their launchers and focus strictly on OMA, Shotguns, or MPs as their secondaries. A team full of CB is a wonderful thing.

[moses]

Jan 23, 2010 1:55:57 GMT -5 das147369 said:

While it sounds good IN THEORY to have an entire team use the same loadout/ tactics, this wouldn't work because eventually the enemy will wise up and choose loadouts to counter yours. Your entire team goes Coldblooded/ Rushing? They tear you up with Stopping Power LMGs. You try OMA tube spamming? They throw on the blast and Riot shields. You hang back with snipers? They go Lightweight SMGs and jump all over you.
My point is that no matter how well cooridinated your "single type" class / killstreak build is, it won't be as effective as a BALANCED team with rushers/campers, snipers/SMGs, cold blooded/hardline etc.

I never said it was tactically sound (or that I cared if it was tactically sound), though I think a powerful rushing team could spawn lock a team of randoms pretty easily, which, if successful, would lead to the simplest and easiest form of victory.

I don't really think Cold-Blooded is easy to counter, as Ssog said. Except with certain weapons, most guns are pretty much who shoots first. My imaginary team's theory of silencers with Marathon, Cold-Blooded, and Ninja over Red Dot Sights with SoH, SP, and SA would be situational perks rather than combat perks.

[scb]

Hey guys, thanks for your suggestions. I appreciate them.

I'm not trying to overthink this thing. i pretty much exclusively play Team Deathmatch Express and losing a match because of the random guy on the team being 1-16 is getting old. So primarily, I want to play with people who are better than that. I think anybody who reads this board isn't going to be that guy. I know it's improved me immensely. And secondly, I want to try to open a door towards more cooperation on XBOX. I've friended quite a few people on there, and I've played with a couple, but I'm hesitant to just throw out game invites to people I've never really talked to. It doesn't help the way the game interface is set up where you can be in a party with someone, yet they are forced to be in Game Chat because they're already in a match. It makes coordination difficult.

So what this is all about is just trying to get some people together and to hopefully kick some ass. I'm planning on running the utility of UAV, probably Care Package as I still haven't unlocked CUAV, and Sentry Gun, bringing a Stinger and playing defense, so that others are more free to do their thing. I know we could get pretty serious about it eventually (all cold-blooded, or otherwise class coordinated), but I'm not even dreaming of that when I don't even know who, if anybody, is even gonna be there. What I am hoping for is to get a certain level of information sharing and tactics...who is going to try to cover which nodes, and reports of status and opposition levels at each. Six random people who read this board I think will stomp six random people who don't, but it's the communication that I think will really provide the cohesiveness that will raise us up a level.

Speaking of which, if you are gonna be there, please let people know here. Or if you'd prefer a different time in the future, that's useful info. And if you aren't my friend on XBOX, shoot me an invite, I'm SugarCopperBlue. Thanks.

[scb]

Pretty much a shameless bump to advertise again. 1pm ET tomorrow 01/24. All skill levels welcome as long as we can work together. Hope to see people there.

Also a shameless self-pat on the back for finally getting more wins than losses. I was at -40, so it's been a road.

[mw0swedeking]

My W/L is like 0.47, so we could just do it for me instead? Side note, how does that even happen? I play mostly Merc TDM unless I have a team, and you'd think someone who plays only Merc TDM would have about a 1.0 W/L. And the only thing that matters in that gametype is K/D and mines 1.29. I guess I play a decent amount of FFA too, and sometimes end up in a lobby with one dominant player but I'm too proud to back out... that's probably it.

[n1gh7]

Me and a few friends will definitely help you out. We are west coast through and we might not wake up till you are a little way through it, but we'll get on and help.

I think that everyone that plays on X-Box should get on at that time and play some games together.

[moses]

Do you ever back out of games? I'm pretty sure every game (that's already started) that you back out of automatically counts as a loss.

[mw0swedeking]

I am opposed to backing out of games unless it's absolutely necessary. Damn that's a bad W/L though.

[ssog]

Jan 23, 2010 6:01:02 GMT -5 scb said:

Speaking of which, if you are gonna be there, please let people know here. Or if you'd prefer a different time in the future, that's useful info. And if you aren't my friend on XBOX, shoot me an invite, I'm SugarCopperBlue. Thanks.

I won't be there, but I'd probably be up for this in the future. I generally play late nights, though (say, 11 EST or later).

[scb]

Jan 23, 2010 23:18:51 GMT -5 ssog said:

Jan 23, 2010 6:01:02 GMT -5 scb said:

Speaking of which, if you are gonna be there, please let people know here. Or if you'd prefer a different time in the future, that's useful info. And if you aren't my friend on XBOX, shoot me an invite, I'm SugarCopperBlue. Thanks.

I won't be there, but I'd probably be up for this in the future. I generally play late nights, though (say, 11 EST or later).

I'd be up for that. Maybe next Saturday. The only reason I set this one up for Sunday was because I wanted that extra day's notice.

[scb]

I just logged on. I'll be sending invites to whoever is on. I think once in party anybody can invite anybody in case you have friends. Post here if there's any issue, I'll keep checking it.

[mw0swedeking]

Jan 24, 2010 8:53:52 GMT -5 scb said:

Jan 23, 2010 23:18:51 GMT -5 ssog said:

I won't be there, but I'd probably be up for this in the future. I generally play late nights, though (say, 11 EST or later).

I'd be up for that. Maybe next Saturday. The only reason I set this one up for Sunday was because I wanted that extra day's notice.

That would work well for me too.

[scb]

Well, the first round was only a modest success. I was joined by Chellovek and Orske, and even though we always killed more than we were killed, it seemed like we only about broke even. The XBOX matchmaking system was goofy too, either dropping one of us completely, or bizarrely putting one of us on a different team in Ground War (which we did so we could keep party chat).

I think it is probably better that the next one be a Saturday night, so let's go with SSOG's suggestion of Saturday 01/30 at 11pm ET. I'll modify the first post to reflect this rather than start a new thread.

[scb]

Bump. 01/30 at 11pm ET. Hopefully that's a good time for people to get on. Thanks.

[mw0swedeking]

Just wanted to Bump this again and say the time in a couple other time zones, maybe that will help people want to come. And because I keep forgetting what time it is in my time zone.
11pm ET
10PM CT
9 PM MST
8 PM WT

[n1gh7]

It's PST but I'll let you get away with WT.

[mw0swedeking]

I knew that was wrong but I could not figure out what the heck it was supposed to be...

[scb]

A little over 15 minutes away. i'm gonna start inviting everybody I see online when that happens. I have my settings set back to friend only chat, so shoot me an invite (SugarCopperBlue) if you're interested in playing.

i'll probably abandon this little experiment if there's no interest, so if you're around, come on out, play a few games, get a few wins, make a few friends. Thanks.

[ssog]

The game went really well tonight. We had a little bit of trouble getting us all in a lobby and on the same team, but once we got rolling, we really got rolling. We lost one or two tight games very early on, but then we rolled up a big win streak. Our streak came to an end when, in our last match of the night, we decided to go Riot Shields only... and wound up drawing Domination in Derail... against two guys abusing the infinite Emergency Airdrop glitch. Seriously, you've got the slowest-moving class possible playing Domination on the biggest map in the entire game against a team with limitless air support. Two of us switched to an AA class to take down the AC-130s, and we had a random guy with us using guns, but the other 6 actually stuck with Shields the entire time. And we actually almost won it, holding a 189-180 lead and controlling two of the flags before the other guys finally got their acts together and dominated us (which they should have been doing from the very start). Final outcome was a 200-191 loss. Which should have been embarrassing for the other team. Seriously. Almost losing to 6 guys in Riot Shields on Derail Domination?

It just reinforces that age-old adage... those who can't do, glitch.