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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 14, 2014 17:12:59 GMT -5
Question: if I don't get PS Plus, what would I miss?
If I buy an PS4, it would be just for exclusives and campaign / PvE games for which graphics are (arguably) important. Don't want to pay a subscription just for that...
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Nov 14, 2014 18:08:25 GMT -5
At this point it's pretty much analogous to Xbox Live Gold (or whatever they call it these days). Except that PS+ has historically had better games for free. But it seems like it hasn't been quite as good lately, like they've realized they can get away with being about the same as Microsoft.
Last I heard you don't need PS+ for free to play online games like War Thunder or Warframe, I think on Xbox that wasn't the case. But I know they changed some stuff on Xbox where stuff like Netflix used to be behind the Gold paywall, so maybe F2P will change or has changed on Xbox. PS+ has been very fruitful for people who have invested in all the Sony platforms. I don't think I've bought a single Vita game for example, because the thing is filled to the brim with PS+ stuff.
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Post by mannon on Nov 14, 2014 18:39:05 GMT -5
If you have a PS3, PSP, or Vita your single PS+ subscription gets you free games across all the platforms, and the PS3 games have been generally of better quality than the free PS4, which makes sense given how new it is.
It might be worth picking up a PS3 for cheap if you do get PS+ as eventually you'll have quite a few good games given to you for free.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Nov 14, 2014 19:00:20 GMT -5
Playstation Plus gets you six free games every month (2 per platform: PS3, PS4, and Vita) and inevitably at least one of the games is something you will enjoy. I have platinumed most of the games since PS4 launch and I find Plus to be an extraordinary value as I have a huge library with only having bought three games explicitly.
Although the lineup is two per platform, games are sometimes cross buy, allowing you to play them without owning the explicit system, so sometimes you get four PS4 games in a month.
Xbox Live also has free games, but the selection is worthless.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 14, 2014 19:27:26 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for the information.
If I take PS Plus free game offerings out of the consideration (I have a pile of games on X360 that I still yet to get to), what else would I be missing without PS Plus? I assume that I won't be able to play any "Multiplayer" portion of the games? For example, for GTA V (not familiar with the game so I could misspoke here), I can play single player, but not GTAV Online?
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 15, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5
Witty. You won't need to do the GTAV online/PvP stuff. I know you pretty well....you won't like it. All you need with GTAV is the solo campaign. There's MORE than enough there to have fun with. Exploring. Missions. Driving. Parachuting, boating, scuba diving, etc...
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Post by cashmoves on Nov 15, 2014 10:34:20 GMT -5
walmart's thanksgiving day online deal is xbox one + halo + game of your choice + 12 months xbox live for $379. pretty solid deal.
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Post by tooros on Nov 15, 2014 15:29:40 GMT -5
FWIW: 'the last of us' is right up there with the best single player games I've ever played. Possibly the best. The multiplayer was a huge surprise too. Felt like the first Gears of War mp.
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Post by mannon on Nov 15, 2014 16:17:37 GMT -5
I would say the only reason to really play GTAV online is if you have a friend to play online with and you don't mind grinding a bit. If so then you can level up and unlock stuff then make your own custom matches with all sorts of props and just do some really stupid fun stuff. I recommend watching the Nercubed and In the Little Wood videos on Youtube for an idea of all the strange/awesome sorts of mischief you can get up to in custom games. But all the online stuff is gated so at least one of you has to level up.
The free roam online can be fun just running around killing and being killed by other players, but it's not that great because most of the interesting content is instanced. I dunno why but I had more fun in Red Dead Redemption's free roam even though clearing gang hideouts was about the only thing there actually was to do in it. Getting into kerfuffles with other players in free roam was also a blast, especially when it was about four friends all together and my brother and I would randomly decide to kill each other for about five minutes. heh Trolling your friends by killing them and/or their horses was always good fun in RDR.
I'm hoping to get into the new GTAV much more than I did on PS3.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 16, 2014 23:47:35 GMT -5
Witty. You won't need to do the GTAV online/PvP stuff. I know you pretty well....you won't like it. All you need with GTAV is the solo campaign. There's MORE than enough there to have fun with. Exploring. Missions. Driving. Parachuting, boating, scuba diving, etc... This times 10.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 18, 2014 13:43:43 GMT -5
FYI: Costso is selling XONE Unity bundle at $334.99, both in store and online. You can also get the following deal if purchased together with XONE:
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2014 15:53:12 GMT -5
I saw that while at Costco the other day. What a deal.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Nov 21, 2014 13:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 9, 2014 13:33:16 GMT -5
Results from vgchartz.com on MSFT/XONE's November offensive, in US: Units sold in US up to 10/25 (before the offensive): www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41938/USA/PS4: 4,814,670 XONE: 3,626,808 Units sold in US up to 11/29: www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41973/USA/PS4: 5,950,954 XONE: 5,146,519 Number of units sold between 10/25 and 11/29: PS4: 1,136,284 XONE: 1,519,711 It is a victory, but probably far from the level that MSFT had hoped.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 10, 2014 11:28:58 GMT -5
I would say selling 34% more is a HUGE success witty. Especially so seeing how PS4 has been winning every month. If the above pace continues through December and January, XB1 will be the leading the console in the United States. How is that not a success? XB1 was down by almost 1.2 million units, now it will most leading be leading by end of January.
I would go even a step further and say this. Sony is going to have to match those cuts by Microsoft, or risk losing all their feel good 'WE'RE WINNING' boasts they've been marketing under. They don't match, they'll be crushed by next summer.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 10, 2014 12:04:39 GMT -5
I would say selling 34% more is a HUGE success witty. Especially so seeing how PS4 has been winning every month. If the above pace continues through December and January, XB1 will be the leading the console in the United States. How is that not a success? XB1 was down by almost 1.2 million units, now it will most leading be leading by end of January. I would go even a step further and say this. Sony is going to have to match those cuts by Microsoft, or risk losing all their feel good 'WE'RE WINNING' boasts they've been marketing under. They don't match, they'll be crushed by next summer. I am not that optimistic about XONE, IMHO the November number is a one month thing, with bundles and exclusive like Halo MCC, not to mention that the victory is US only. Bundles won't sustain growth and Halo MCC is still struggling. PS on the other hand are going to have a whole bunch of exclusives coming up, judging from PS's 20 year anniversary show last weekend.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 10, 2014 12:49:30 GMT -5
The deals will be running all this month too. I was just at Costco the other day. Dirt cheap prices and ridiculous deals. Going apples to apples, a person shopping can save anywhere from $100 to $200 getting the XB1 if on the fence. That money saved can be a significant difference maker when doing holiday shopping. So I think whatever momentum you saw in November, is going to carry forward throughout this month too. If it was +383 in November, I would bet on +450 or more in December.
If that happens, the two consoles are pretty much even in the US by year end. 6.8 to 7.0 million sold. It's wash. Going forward? If Sony doesn't match those cuts, no amount of exclusives will really make a material difference to the trend. Total costs trump exclusivity. Look at XB with TF and Halo. That was overwhelmed by other factors. XB1 will pass up PS in the US.
And the US is all that matters, at least to me. I don't give a sh1t about non-US. And as far as world-wide stuff...that's been a bit of bullsh1t since day one. It's never been apples to apples. It's a bit disingenuous to compare Sony selling in like 50 countries this past year, versus the Xbox one being sold in like twelve. You take that often forgotten fact into account, that Sony is being sold in four times as many places, the trumpeted 'lead' Sony often talks about becomes a bit hollow. Sony should be selling more. It's in more markets. Duh. Unfortunately, this reality won't stop media and bloggers from running with their desired media line, of "Sony winning the console war!!!"
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 10, 2014 12:56:56 GMT -5
I guess that at least one thing is clear: both consoles are doing well and the console transitions will complete soon. Console prices will be cheaper, and the developers can worry less about the old gen and be a lot more focused on the new gen. Next year will be a great year for gamers.
For 2015: at the present moment MSFT is outmatched by Sony in the exclusives department. Whether and how much that would matter will remain to be seen.
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Post by iw5000 on Dec 10, 2014 14:23:39 GMT -5
I guess that at least one thing is clear: both consoles are doing well and the console transitions will complete soon. Console prices will be cheaper, and the developers can worry less about the old gen and be a lot more focused on the new gen. Next year will be a great year for gamers. For 2015: at the present moment MSFT is outmatched by Sony in the exclusives department. Whether and how much that would matter will remain to be seen. Yeah, I think that's the real story that is getting buried by dumb 'war' headlines. Both consoles are setting records compared to last time.
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Post by Will on Dec 10, 2014 20:59:35 GMT -5
witty I thing one thing you should really consider is the boner you get for Titanfall.
As I understand it, PC population on Titanfall is rather low? On XboxOne there are still tons of matches happening, every time I search I instantly connect and versus different people, in any playlist.
Now we all assume Titanfall 2 will not be exclusive. But it will certainly be optimized for Microsoft's Azure servers. I have never experienced a more consistently flawless game connection than I have with Titanfall. Like, it's as perfect as LAN. I don't know what Playstation has for an equivalent, but I am really really really looking forward to more developers making use of these servers. It's a real shame that Advanced Warfare didn't.
13 months since the console has come out, and the interface is still Windows 8 metro crap though, and it's horribly inefficient. It still takes me 3x more actions than the 360 to do the same simple tasks. The 360 went through like 5 major interface changes in it's lifetime though, so there is hope. At least the XBL Party Chat is finally working properly...
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Post by Megaqwerty on Dec 10, 2014 22:40:04 GMT -5
I'm trying to find an article that says otherwise, but I believe Azure isn't exclusive to Xbox. Azure itself is a cloud computing platform and is used for many things besides games (in fact, its primary applications are not gaming) and anyone, including you, can use Azure.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 11, 2014 12:49:04 GMT -5
My biggest fear about TF2 is that MSFT will not feel motivated enough to support it with its Dedis (I won't be surprised if the PS4 version outsold XONE version 2 to 1 or more). That would suck. So far MSFT only does (and will do) that for XBL exclusives (TF, Halo MCC, Sunset Overdrive, the new Fable, etc).
On the console interface front: by now I am used to XONE, along with the improvements they made through monthly updates, everything feels second nature again. I still have a need to hard reset from time to time, other than that nothing really bothers me any more.
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Post by wittyscorpion on Dec 24, 2014 12:55:38 GMT -5
PS4 price cut has begun, for real: $349 with your 1 game of choice from the selection of Far Cry 4, NBA 2K15, LittleBigPlanet 3 and Destiny, at Best Buy: www.polygon.com/2014/12/24/7446991/ps4-destiny-best-buy-dealIf you can afford to wait on next gen, or thinking about buying a 2nd console, expect the price to drop below $300 next year.
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Post by asasa on Dec 24, 2014 16:37:41 GMT -5
Isnt the PS4 $329 at walmart thru today or something? surprised no one posted that
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Post by wwaa on Dec 25, 2014 15:51:49 GMT -5
ok ... so a machine worth $300 now is "supposed" to be the "next gen" for 5Y+ ?
good news : )
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what would be the cost of toilet paper for 5Y for 1-2 "players" : ) ?
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Post by banana on Dec 26, 2014 0:33:07 GMT -5
Xbox one because my friend's mom bought me one (:
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Post by Will on Dec 26, 2014 7:26:31 GMT -5
Xbox one because my friend's mom bought me one (: MILF
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Dec 29, 2014 20:57:17 GMT -5
what would be the cost of toilet paper for 5Y for 1-2 "players" : ) ? In a world where these exist, using toilet paper is basically a hate crime against your and your loved ones' cornholes.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Dec 29, 2014 21:02:15 GMT -5
Who the hell doesn't use both? TP gets the majority off and Wetwipes get the rest. If you use only wet wipes you're going to 1. Destroy your septic and 2. Waste a shit ton (pun partially intended) of money and wipes
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Dec 29, 2014 22:34:35 GMT -5
Gross
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