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Post by iw5000 on Apr 23, 2015 21:11:10 GMT -5
I'm going to add something to the above. Prior CoD games, the maps had personalities. The maps felt alive. A map like Interchange on MW3, every spot on the map felt like it had some significance in the flow of a game. AW? There's no importance to anything on the maps, or things on the maps. I've played every AW domination map 100x over. I can't think of a single spot that is like worth anything to control (and not worth controlling, due to flipping spawns) Everything in the game just bounces and flows right over everything. The battlefield is basically the 'air'...not any features on a map. And that's blah. Atlas Gorge bruhhhhhhhhh ok lol, but that's one map bro.
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Post by noscreenname on Apr 23, 2015 21:17:39 GMT -5
ok lol, but that's one map bro. ...that about 5% of players have.
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Post by Will on Apr 23, 2015 22:38:27 GMT -5
BUT IT'S A REALLY AWESOME MAP AND SLEDGEHAMMER DIDN'T EVEN DESIGN IT, VINCE ZAMPELLA DID
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Post by noscreenname on Apr 23, 2015 22:41:34 GMT -5
BUT IT'S A REALLY AWESOME MAP AND SLEDGEHAMMER DIDN'T EVEN DESIGN IT, VINCE ZAMPELLA DID I have it, I like it. So do the other 15 people in the playlist. -_-
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 24, 2015 7:48:58 GMT -5
BUT IT'S A REALLY AWESOME MAP AND SLEDGEHAMMER DIDN'T EVEN DESIGN IT, VINCE ZAMPELLA DID That is a funny point. Maybe the best map in the game with the Exos, and SH had to take it from MW2!! Oh well.
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Post by lustindarkness on Apr 24, 2015 9:04:52 GMT -5
I agree with iw5000. I think the maps makes the difference. Even as an old fart with slow reflexes, I'm ok with the fast twich jumping action most of the time. But the crazy spawning and lack of map control? Ugh.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 24, 2015 9:41:14 GMT -5
I agree with iw5000. I think the maps makes the difference. Even as an old fart with slow reflexes, I'm ok with the fast twich jumping action most of the time. But the crazy spawning and lack of map control? Ugh. In the older games, like with domination or demo... there was always something exciting about a game, when your team like took control over part of a map. A game within a game. Like your side pushed for the middle, got control of certain elements in an area, and then you were able to set up. You do the dirty work on the offensive, died a bunch, but get the flag, and now you reap the reward of playing defense,....and crapping on people at they tried to move you out. Ebb and flow. Offense and defense. Pitched battles at key spots on the map. There's NONE of that in AW. Nonewhatsover. Especially in Dom (which has historically been the 2nd most popular game). You get control of a spot, it means nothing. You'll soon (within seconds) have like flies buzzing around over head. People zinging by overhead, and behind you. In fact, with the ridiculously fast initial exo boost animation, which is ridiculously hard to kill someone in that frame...it makes more sense to not sit tight or defend. With the lag, frame rate stuff, the person moving/boosting has a huge jump coming around corners or down over top. So you don't control any spot. You just immediately move out and start jumping around to find another jumping 1v1 to engage in.
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Post by Will on Apr 24, 2015 10:36:35 GMT -5
BUT IT'S A REALLY AWESOME MAP AND SLEDGEHAMMER DIDN'T EVEN DESIGN IT, VINCE ZAMPELLA DID That is a funny point. Maybe the best map in the game with the Exos, and SH had to take it from MW2!! Oh well. *MW1 I feel some flow and map control on Drift. it is well designed.
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Post by bucket415 on Apr 24, 2015 14:45:09 GMT -5
Arguing with ignorant children is annoying. I can buy a brand new $2200 Rifle Dynamics AK47 today. Its certainly a modern weapon. Its apparent that neither of you have any real knowledge of firearms, other than what you just looked up on Wikipedia. Wouldn't you consider the war in Afghanistan a modern war? Guess what? Al-qaeda uses all AK variants, Dragunov sniper rifles, FALs, M16s and many others. Beat it kids.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 24, 2015 14:59:22 GMT -5
Arguing with ignorant children is annoying. I can buy a brand new $2200 Rifle Dynamics AK47 today. Its certainly a modern weapon. Its apparent that neither of you have any real knowledge of firearms, other than what you just looked up on Wikipedia. Wouldn't you consider the war in Afghanistan a modern war? Guess what? Al-qaeda uses all AK variants, Dragunov sniper rifles, FALs, M16s and many others. Beat it kids. I didn't understand the above exchange. What difference does it make? What does it even have to do with this topic? Sounds like an Epenis argument over who has more guns memorized. Who cares.
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Post by bucket415 on Apr 24, 2015 15:27:06 GMT -5
*knock out blow coming...*
Your mom cares.
Seriously though. The argument was about what the definition of a "modern shooter" is. They were trying to argue the BLOPS was not. I proved them wrong. They continued to try and argue with bad facts and logic.
You are now caught up.
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Post by kylet357 on Apr 24, 2015 16:25:56 GMT -5
*knock out blow coming...* Your mom cares. Seriously though. The argument was about what the definition of a "modern shooter" is. They were trying to argue the BLOPS was not. I proved them wrong. They continued to try and argue with bad facts and logic. You are now caught up. No, your argument was that since we still have x guns being used today, and they were used y era, they're modern and thus that era is modern too. Literally, the shit used in an era and the era itself have nothing to do with each other. The AK-47 isn't being used because it's "modern". It's being used because it's effective and VERY cheap (and I'm not talking some tacti-cool version made by some random gun manufacturer, what you see in the Middle East are surplus Russian AKM's or Chinese Type 56's made anywhere from the 50's to 70's). If you brought up weapons like the SCAR platform, Kriss Vector, MP7, P90 and Five SeveN, and even the AK-12, all of which are weapons made in no more than the past 25 years, you'd probably...still not have a point.
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Post by noscreenname on Apr 24, 2015 16:37:04 GMT -5
IMAGE LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like boots are on the ground, repeat; boots on the ground. Also, mechwarrior.
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Post by Will on Apr 24, 2015 17:02:45 GMT -5
Hey, Guy rule number 2:
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Post by lustindarkness on Apr 24, 2015 17:33:47 GMT -5
IMAGE LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like boots are on the ground, repeat; boots on the ground. Also, mechwarrior. Don't look at the rest of the image leaks in Charlie Intel, don't ruin your day. <_<
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Post by Megaqwerty on Apr 24, 2015 17:34:20 GMT -5
Although the exos could certainly use more polish, they are not fundamentally the problem in AW: Atlas Gorge showcases what AW should have been beautifully and restricting this map to paid only was idiotic not only because it further fragments players but simply because it is dramatically superior to every other map in the game.
(Also, it's the twenty-first century: there is no zero reason for every single map to be perfectly symmetric.)
The spawns are broken. The connections are almost broken.
Regarding the engine being old, there is, again, nothing fundamentally wrong with still using the same engine. The engine is expanded, improved, and tweaked every single game and is fully capable. Although I doubt it is fully competitive with other engines (e.g. Unreal, Frostbite, Crytek), it is more than sufficient for Call of Duty.
What I would love to see is network snapshots increased: the current values haven't been changed from Quake III since doing so breaks some game behaviors. With a three year cycle, there is time to fix things like this. Furthermore, this should only need to be done once by each developer.
Additionally, the game needs expansion of dedicated servers. There is zero reason why Activision cannot contract hosting and in fact does exactly this with some PC Call of Duties (namely, Black Ops 1 and probably Black Ops 2). Most posters, both here and elsewhere, seem to have no understanding of the logistics behind this and how simple they are in reality .
(I just pinged a Gameservers.com server (the provider for BO1 PC) in each city within a 1,500 mile radius of my location and had an average ping of 32 ms. The average pings observed in Call of Duty listen servers is unacceptable.)
TL;DR: the engine is fine. There are plenty of legitimate issues with both Advanced Warfare and Call of Duty in general; complain about those instead.
Regarding "modern shooter", the modern era of war began with the Korean War. This isn't subject to debate as it is firmly established by history. That said, a Korean War-era Call of Duty would be sick, yo.
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Post by noscreenname on Apr 24, 2015 19:01:07 GMT -5
IMAGE LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like boots are on the ground, repeat; boots on the ground. Also, mechwarrior. Don't look at the rest of the image leaks in Charlie Intel, don't ruin your day. <_<
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Post by Megaqwerty on Apr 24, 2015 20:00:29 GMT -5
Advanced Warfare is actually the best game ever made: there's a belt fed automatic shotgun.
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Post by Usagi on Apr 24, 2015 20:25:14 GMT -5
IMAGE LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like boots are on the ground, repeat; boots on the ground. Also, mechwarrior. That rolly ball thing in the bottom right is obviously our new RC-XD. Great. Best killstreak ever.
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Post by cat on Apr 24, 2015 20:44:36 GMT -5
Nice ED-209 on background. Re-reboot of Robocop confirmed.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Apr 24, 2015 21:44:03 GMT -5
Arguing with ignorant children is annoying. I can buy a brand new $2200 Rifle Dynamics AK47 today. Its certainly a modern weapon. Its apparent that neither of you have any real knowledge of firearms, other than what you just looked up on Wikipedia. Wouldn't you consider the war in Afghanistan a modern war? Guess what? Al-qaeda uses all AK variants, Dragunov sniper rifles, FALs, M16s and many others. Beat it kids. LOL, "I can buy a brand new $2200 Rifle Dynamics AK47 today. Its certainly a modern weapon." First of all, those aren't AK47s, they're AKMs, second of all I can buy a brand new M1911, are you saying that World War I was modern? What a shit argument "Wouldn't you consider the war in Afghanistan a modern war? Guess what? Al-qaeda uses all AK variants, Dragunov etc.." And? The Mosin-Nagant is still used in modern combat and that's been in service for over 120 years. Are you telling me the Mosin-Nagant is a modern firearm?
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Apr 24, 2015 22:22:12 GMT -5
"Thrust jumps" with BLOPS2 map sizes?
Kill. Me.
Edito: "Tailored Map Design Maps are designed from the ground-up for the new movement system, allowing players to be successful with traditional movement, as well as advanced tactics and maneuvers."
Great, maps with no cover because "muh super mario jetpack triple boost jump gets caught on things on this Nuketown 3047 remake map"
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Post by banana on Apr 25, 2015 8:49:55 GMT -5
It looks like there aren't any exo boosts
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Post by noscreenname on Apr 25, 2015 9:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by banana on Apr 25, 2015 9:17:14 GMT -5
It says jumps and slides but not the boosts
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Apr 25, 2015 10:23:19 GMT -5
Thrust jump, boost jump same thing.
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Post by Disgruntled Jigglypuff on Apr 25, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5
IMAGE LEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like boots are on the ground, repeat; boots on the ground. Also, mechwarrior. Cyborg Reznov confirmed killstreak.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2015 20:52:02 GMT -5
*knock out blow coming...* Your mom cares. Seriously though. The argument was about what the definition of a "modern shooter" is. They were trying to argue the BLOPS was not. I proved them wrong. They continued to try and argue with bad facts and logic. You are now caught up. I was actually agreeing with you. But thanks for the mom insult. She's dead, so take it for what it is.
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Post by iw5000 on Apr 25, 2015 20:53:14 GMT -5
Thrust jump, boost jump same thing. It does sort of sound like the same thing.
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Post by ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42) on Apr 26, 2015 2:09:42 GMT -5
I read a "leaked" thing saying it's not a double jump like in AW. Maybe just slightly higher or faster? I dunno. Still this movement system sounds a helluva lot better than AW. Especially the part on the images that say 'that you can fire anytime' so built in gung-ho/ arena liker shooting and the momentum based movement. Sounds more like arena shooter style movement then awkward exo movement from AW. I'm actually excited for BO3, even if multiplayer is subpar (which personally I've never had a problem with 3arc's games from W@W to BO2, all games I enjoy thoroughly) the co-op campaign and campaign in general will be great and zombies is always great.
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