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Post by b0xr on Jul 7, 2012 14:14:11 GMT -5
Came across this website today, it's worth keeping an eye on. www.xim3.comThey sell adapters that allow you to use a gaming keyboard and mouse to play XBOX and PS3. The two different models available are both out of stock and seem to be in extremely high demand. Digging through the forums of the XiM website briefly, they're supposed to be shipping another "batch" around July 16/17. |
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Post by b0xr on Jul 7, 2012 14:34:09 GMT -5
I've gone through a few of the videos on the site, and it looks like the translations for aim-assist, dead zones, sticky aim, etc. have become really accurate. The only issue is they're constantly out of stock. I'm just kind of worried that in time it will become a necessity. I prefer chilling back on my couch or whatever with a controller and gaming, that's one of the main reasons I play console over PC. It would suck if a lot of people starting using these and the only way to be competitive would be to sit at a desk with a keyboard and mouse.
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Post by mmacola on Jul 7, 2012 14:39:46 GMT -5
Only people used to it would do any good, and honestly, I find controllers much more comfortable to use as well. It all fits in your hand, so you can jump, dropshoot, knife, etc pretty easily.
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Post by MoopusMaximus on Jul 7, 2012 14:45:44 GMT -5
I actually saw this last year. They're a small company so they run out of stock a lot. I also know they're pretty expensive.
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Post by asasa on Jul 7, 2012 15:50:50 GMT -5
Considered one of these myself a few months ago...
The newest XIM model seems like its really nice. Would be much easier for a PC gamer to go onto consoles, or for a new player to use... but for people who have been playing on console w/ controllers for a long time? Nah. I mean, Im sure it will help... but it will be months of getting accustomed to it.
Also, as moopus said, they're pretty expensive.
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Post by ryukasun on Jul 7, 2012 16:09:48 GMT -5
I know a guy in my local area had one. I thought some games banned the use of these online though. Wouldn't the ability to use a mouse be seen as a huge advantage? The accuracy and precision a mouse gives would be ridiculous when compared to controller using opponents.
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Post by cmck on Jul 7, 2012 16:19:26 GMT -5
^I would assume so after you get used to using a mouse and keyboard. I doubt that it would be banned for anything though. No one cares about the fairness implied with equal equipment and this is just another way gaming equipment will trump the default equipment that is necessary to play the games. Look at all the crap that is supposed to help you being thrown into competitive online games now. It baffles me that this kind of thing can be rationalized for PvP online games.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Jul 7, 2012 22:05:38 GMT -5
Wouldn't the ability to use a mouse be seen as a huge advantage? The XIM still has to work through a controller layer, however, and thus intrinsically cannot do anything that a controller cannot. This would not be true if the game natively supported mice. Regardless, I believe most gamers would see accuracy improvements consequent of using a mouse to aim, even if via an adapter such as this. |
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jul 7, 2012 22:31:55 GMT -5
I thought some games banned the use of these online though. Unenforceable. The game doesn't support mice in the first place. The whole point of the adapter is to convert mouse input into controller input. There is no difference server side to detect. |
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Post by ryukasun on Jul 8, 2012 0:27:01 GMT -5
Pardon my naivety but isn't this the same issue with Rapid Fire controllers and such as well?
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Post by Indy_Bones on Jul 8, 2012 1:32:38 GMT -5
The latest version of XIM designed for PS3 is half the price of the version one which represents much better bang for your buck if you're a PS3 only player. Personally I can't handle high sensitivities on the pad, therefore being able to use the highest sens possible but with a mm perfect mouse control - yes please  The only thing that's stopped me is the fact that I haven't had a spare £100 to throw at one... |
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Post by aidsaidsaids on Jul 8, 2012 1:40:32 GMT -5
Pardon my naivety but isn't this the same issue with Rapid Fire controllers and such as well? If you want to call it an "issue." It's really not a big deal. |
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Jul 8, 2012 2:57:13 GMT -5
The "dead zone" is not an issue at all, and it's not "floaty"... for COD there is very little difference from playing on a PC, I actually prefer the Xim since the PC version feels choppy, and the mouse sensitivity is ridiculously tedious to configure for a high DPI mouse. I suppose the only thing that can feel "floaty" is if you try to do ultra high speed turns that exceed what the controller sensitivity can handle. It's not much of a learning curve though.
It could feel laggy as well if your display has high input lag, but place that blame where it belongs, on your display. Sticks don't feel as laggy in that situation because you just plain don't have the same level of control you have with a mouse, so it's harder to notice. Grab an EVO monitor for under $200 and you'll be fine.
Anyone who thinks that an Xbox 360 controller is on a level playing field with a traditional PC setup either doesn't have experience with playing FPS using a mouse, or is plain deluding himself.
The existence of aim assist across all console shooters is all the proof you really need.
Is using a Xim cheating? Maybe. But hey, I love playing COD, and they've pretty much disowned the PC community and cranked out shoddy port after shoddy port, so it is what it is.
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Post by llednik on Jul 8, 2012 7:33:13 GMT -5
What pegasusactual said. I have a xim3 and it almost perfectly matches the feel of cod pc. I use a xim on console because that's what my friends play. For cod it's an advantage but it's not a super big deal. Halo reach on the other hand is another story. 5 shotting someone with a dmr is stupid easy with a mouse.
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Post by acidsnow on Jul 8, 2012 9:26:16 GMT -5
Back when CoD4 was the craze, I thought of getting a modded controller so I could fire the G3 (a semi-auto) more easily. ...But after a few weeks of play, I became extremely proficient with it, and was basically better with it than almost any other gun. Looking back I'm glad I didn't bother with a 3rd party controller, because it was expensive, and ultimately I mastered a new skill and I was proud of myself for that. ...I haven't enjoyed using any subsequent semi-auto since mastering the G3; increasing recoil, and reducing ROF just made them less appealing compared to spraying and praying with most other guns  Anyway, I use a controller because it's comfortable and easy to master, plus I sit on a couch with arm rests that aren't all that great to lay a mouse on. Also, there's no way I'd dump $150 on a mouse, now that I pretty much hate them for FPS gaming. ...My competitive Counter-Strike days are 10 years behind me, and although those days were fun, I now prefer to play among a controller-based community. |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Jul 8, 2012 10:02:01 GMT -5
Just play PC, there we go.
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Post by b0xr on Jul 8, 2012 15:22:23 GMT -5
Just played against someone on XBL, gt: XIM FTW. He had over 4.0 kd in FFA. lol, I'm considering getting one of these when they're available again.
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Post by llednik on Jul 8, 2012 16:16:32 GMT -5
Just play PC, there we go. I use a xim on console because that's what my friends play A xim also opens up games that are not available on pc to mouse and keyboard players. |
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Post by Megaqwerty on Jul 10, 2012 17:24:22 GMT -5
Just play PC, there we go. Different community. It's smaller by several orders of magnitude: finding a DLC game of Dom can take awhile most nights. Finding a game period of Dem is almost impossible. Finding a game of Sab is impossible. |
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Post by Pegasus Actual on Jul 10, 2012 17:31:44 GMT -5
^Yep, PC version is a ghost town. I liked it better in the days of CoD and CoD:UO when the console plebs got shovelware ports that bore little resemblance to the PC master race glory.
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Post by ElysMustache on Jul 10, 2012 22:29:45 GMT -5
It's smaller by several orders of magnitude Several orders of magnitude is about ten-thousand times smaller. Just sayin'. |
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Post by illram on Jul 11, 2012 11:38:45 GMT -5
Can you use wireless mice and keyboards with the XIM? Or do they have to be wired?
The sticks you put on the xbox controller (fps freeks or something) do make a difference too... and they are cheap as spit. Increased my accuracy by about 5%.
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Post by b0xr on Jul 11, 2012 11:54:45 GMT -5
There are 3 usb ports on the XiM. (Keyboard, Mouse, and 360 Controller) Wireless should work if it uses a usb transmitter.
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Post by jackaltornmoons on Jul 11, 2012 20:23:13 GMT -5
Paying extra money to give you an advantage at something that doesn't give any tangible rewards for performance seems a little silly to me.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Jul 11, 2012 22:03:11 GMT -5
It's smaller by several orders of magnitude Several orders of magnitude is about ten-thousand times smaller. Just sayin'. I personally interpret several to mean around 8 and the PC community, although it often feels like it, is obviously not 10 8 (that is, ten million) times smaller than the Xbox one. The PC community generally has around 1,000 players online, while the Xbox, I believe, is around 100,000. That's three orders, realistically. But thanks for trying. |
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Post by b0xr on Jul 12, 2012 18:13:08 GMT -5
Paying extra money to give you an advantage at something that doesn't give any tangible rewards for performance seems a little silly to me. I just want a fair playing field. If people are going to be using these against me, then I don't want to be fiddling around with stubby joysticks and losing because of it. That said, it's only because I play a lot of CoD and FPS in general. If I didn't play as much, I wouldn't care. |
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Post by CRAZ33 G on Jul 13, 2012 7:23:27 GMT -5
As a former PC bro I found that using a controller took a lot of getting used on PS3 or Xbox for FPS. Sure you can train yourself to get better but it defintely takes time and practice. I always preferred the mouse/keyboard setup and the Xim3 is great for this (I'm still not bad with controller). Granted the Xim3 is not as precise as a mouse on the PC but it does a very good job. There is a some difference in turn speed and laser point accuracy but you can quickly accustomise to this after tweaking the configuration and using Smart Translators. The Xim3 is quite pricey but does have a nice LCD screen which makes on the fly changes/setup very easy. However there is the Xim Edge which is cheaper and does the same without the LCD screen. Is it cheating to have one of these devices? Well that is subjective really; there are numerous advantages but also disadvantages and it comes down to what type of player you are what input device suits your needs. It is hardly a rapid fire controller! The gains made by using a mouse for improved accuaracy and movement are somewhat balanced by using in tandem with a keyboard. As a long term WASD player, my fingers have gotten used to using keys for movement and binding equipment and other config buttons on the keyboards. IMO using these is less efficient and more cumbersome than a xbox/ps3 controller where the buttons are directly underneath the fingertips or within easier reach. Once your brain is used to this layout it does become ok to use. You can actually use a nunchuck style adapter for the (non-mouse) hand if you desire but I've never felt the need for this. As far as a banned device then this is what Micrsoft have to say on the matter: www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=9535.0Comparing this with a rapid fire controller is riduculous, I can't spam people with an MK14 or Sniper rifle and why the hell would I want to??!! There is various other equipment and controller types out there that are non-standard MS and offer advantages (e.g. trigger clips for less button press to fire, on the fly sensitivy changes etc etc) Xim3 Advantages: Accuracy at longer range for LMGs and Sniping (I rarely snipe) Ability to Strafe and fire easier Disadvantages Left/Right movement and equipment usage more cumbersome Inability to Quick Scope Why dont you just play PC games if you want to use a Mouse/KB? Well bascially I would If A) I could afford to keep upgraded a rig suitable of handling quality gfx and high frame rates. B) Publishers like Activision actually gave a shit about PC gamers and produced CoD games with decent support, dedicated servers and allowed Mods. C) All FPS were availabvle on PC, certain games are only available on console platforms D) The majority of my friends are more real than virtual these days and I can play them on XBL rather than trawling seedy forums to engage some obscure Unreal or Counter Strike clans. |
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Post by illram on Jul 13, 2012 13:39:02 GMT -5
When I was playing CoD 4 on PC I was looking for a nunchuck style adapter for precisely that reason: the mouse is unquestionably awesome but all the other stuff you needed to do (knife, 'nade, prone, crouch, equipment, yada yada) is easier on a controller. A nunchuck, or half a controller in one hand plus the mouse would have been optimum and I tried hackneyed things like using half of a Ps3 controller and a mouse but it never worked. Do companies make these nunchuck type things now? If so you could use that with the Xim too right?
As for the "cheating" thing, if it's something you can buy and it does not alter the physical mechanics of anything, I don't think it's cheating. A rapid fire controller is cheating, IMHO, as you are artificially increasing the rate of fire for things like the M14 and other guns beyond your normal physical capabilities and beyond the intention of the game developers. With the XIM (no I do not have one) you are greatly increasing your ability to aim with a mouse, but you still need to... aim.
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Post by Megaqwerty on Jul 13, 2012 21:13:35 GMT -5
Disadvantages Left/Right movement and equipment usage more cumbersome Inability to rail gun Care to elaborate? People have no difficulty doing these on PC. |
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Post by b0xr on Jul 13, 2012 22:01:17 GMT -5
I read somewhere Microsoft tested the idea of having PC and XBOX players play on the same servers. It's possible, but they never did it because in game tests, the PC players DOMINATED the XBOX players like 95% of the time. The controller simply cannot compete with the mouse.
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