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Post by banana on Dec 12, 2015 14:19:55 GMT -5
At least they listened to our shotgun struggles
All in all, I really like this patch
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Post by lllRL on Dec 12, 2015 14:49:41 GMT -5
"VMP: ADS time increased by 25%"
Lol
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 12, 2015 15:10:16 GMT -5
I didn't even notice until now but they buffed Fast Mags a solid amount. I'm not really sure how they think Extended can compete now. Or even pre-patch for that matter.
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Post by Lexapro on Dec 12, 2015 16:14:39 GMT -5
I didn't even notice until now but they buffed Fast Hands a solid amount. I'm not really sure how they think Extended can compete now. Or even pre-patch for that matter. Sometimes, not having to reload will save your life over being able to reload twice as fast. Also, starting with 40% extra ammo is nothing to sneeze at if you're trying to go for long killstreaks. I think its always a bit of a gamble trying to use someone's gun you pick up off the ground. |
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 12, 2015 16:18:47 GMT -5
I didn't even notice until now but they buffed Fast Hands a solid amount. I'm not really sure how they think Extended can compete now. Or even pre-patch for that matter. 40% isn't that bad. Extended mags gives you less reloads AND more people you can kill without scavenger. |
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Post by lllRL on Dec 12, 2015 16:26:14 GMT -5
I see people mentioning a "grip buff" but Marvel didn't in the list of changes.
Wut?
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Post by I Am Hollywood5 on Dec 12, 2015 16:59:23 GMT -5
IMO this patch was pretty dumb. The VMP definitely got rekt. The Vesper is still usable I guess but not really worth it anymore. It's not that those guns were OP, it's more that the Razorback and Kuda are pathetic jokes, and most maps in this game heavily cater to CQB. Using the VMP or Vesper any AR-oriented map usually isn't a fun time, whereas ARs can still do alright on CQB-oriented maps. The SMG laser nerf was also completely unwarranted.
The M8A7 is really disappointing, there's really no reason to use it over the XR-2 now. The M8A7 was a skill-rewarding gun, so higher-skilled players were attracted to it, resulting in a higher K/D for the gun which Treyarch mis-interprets as "overpowered" because they've never had a clue what they're doing with balance.
Nerfing the LCAR-9 was understandable but not making it utterly useless. Nerfing all pistols as a whole is... a real head-scratcher
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Post by lllRL on Dec 12, 2015 17:07:13 GMT -5
Suppressor (KN-44, SMG, Handgun): Range increased by 16.67% Suppressor (AR): Range increased by 40% Almost forgot to ask: is that value simply added on to the old one? For example with an AR, is the range reduction now 35%? Could suppressor + long barrel perhaps be viable on some ARs now? |
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Post by imrlybord7 on Dec 12, 2015 18:54:50 GMT -5
Suppressor (KN-44, SMG, Handgun): Range increased by 16.67% Suppressor (AR): Range increased by 40% Almost forgot to ask: is that value simply added on to the old one? For example with an AR, is the range reduction now 35%? Could suppressor + long barrel perhaps be viable on some ARs now? Yes, it will now have 35% of its original range instead of 25%. So Suppressor + Long Barrel isn't too shabby at 70% range, but being forced to use Long Barrel to use Suppressor is a heavy price. |
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Post by Usagi on Dec 12, 2015 19:22:13 GMT -5
RK5: Damage maximum decreased by 12.5% RK5: 5HK range decreased by 25% RK5: ADS spread increased good god, you couldn't kill a sick kitten with this worthless piece a crap Laser: Hipspread decreased by from 55% to 47.5% of base hipspread Laser (SMG): Hipspread increased from 70% to 75% of base hipspread If my math is correct, laser went from a 69.8% reduction in area to 77.4% reduction? I thought it was huge before, I'm surprised they buffed it. SMG laser is only 43.8% reduction now, still okay I guess if you need your SMG to be even more brainless than it already is. |
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Dec 12, 2015 21:16:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty peeved about the rk5 nerf as well. I guess they don't want secondaries to be used as primaries. They already get attachment restrictions, what gives?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 12, 2015 22:14:00 GMT -5
I'm sure even with the nerfs the RK5 and LCAR9 are still great secondaries.
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Post by Usagi on Dec 13, 2015 2:10:06 GMT -5
The RK5 was godawful even before the nerfs, at least on PC anyway.
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Post by kirbyderby on Dec 13, 2015 2:32:01 GMT -5
RK5 does less damage than a marshmallow gun. It's a trash secondary without dual wield, and even then it's only decent.
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Post by lllRL on Dec 13, 2015 11:46:00 GMT -5
Almost forgot to ask: is that value simply added on to the old one? For example with an AR, is the range reduction now 35%? Could suppressor + long barrel perhaps be viable on some ARs now? Yes, it will now have 35% of its original range instead of 25%. So Suppressor + Long Barrel isn't too shabby at 70% range, but being forced to use Long Barrel to use Suppressor is a heavy price. 35% of the original range?! Not 35% reduction of the original unsuppressed range?  I'm not sure how that's a 40% increase otherwise... Edit: nvm, haven't had enough coffee yet today. .25*1.4 = .35  that sucks tbh. |
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Post by Blurred Wolf on Dec 13, 2015 13:59:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty peeved about the rk5 nerf as well. I guess they don't want secondaries to be used as primaries. They already get attachment restrictions, what gives? This exactly. My fave thing about Pick 10 was secondary only classes. Give me my Tac-45 back. |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 13, 2015 16:37:28 GMT -5
Quick question Marvel: is the KN-44 excluded from the Assault Rifle Silencer buff? If not, it would only take a 16% penalty now, correct? Thanks for getting this information out so quickly. We really appreciate it.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 14, 2015 1:50:59 GMT -5
VMP and Vesper need moar nerf, imo. Some of the most braindead shit in this game.
Onwards, Twitter Warriors! Go spew inarticulate hatred! Just because fuck SMGs. :3
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Post by Slick on Dec 14, 2015 9:05:49 GMT -5
What? No. How are they more braindead than an assault rifle?
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 14, 2015 9:22:23 GMT -5
Spraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay~.
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Post by flatulentmonkeys on Dec 14, 2015 10:31:51 GMT -5
Huh. I think LMGs shooting over a stationary platform are the braindead weapons.
So we have 3 different players thinking 3 different classes of weapons are the "OP" ones.
Weapon balance? Check.
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Post by fhelps on Dec 14, 2015 12:32:12 GMT -5
Quick question Marvel: is the KN-44 excluded from the Assault Rifle Silencer buff? If not, it would only take a 16% penalty now, correct? Thanks for getting this information out so quickly. We really appreciate it. The buff decreased the penalty in 10% on everything. On the ARs the range increase was 40%. 40% of the previous 25% range that ARs had with silencer is equal to 10% more range, that means a 65% penalty now. On KN, SMGs and Handgus the range increase was 16,67%. 16,67% of the previous 60% range that those guns had with supressor is equal to 10% more range, that means a 30% penalty now. |
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Dec 14, 2015 12:35:21 GMT -5
Shotgun/1887 suppressors weren't changed right?
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Post by dunsparceflinch on Dec 14, 2015 14:52:10 GMT -5
Shotguns and LMGs were unfortunately unchanged when it comes to suppressors, which is dumb.
Suppressors on LMGs should be changed to an 85% penalty and shotguns should be changed to a 20% penalty.
Also, snipers suppressed should have their damage reduced past 38m.
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Post by roadwarrior on Dec 14, 2015 16:51:08 GMT -5
I'll try to translate some of these changes into absolute values so they're a little easier to parse: VERY helpful TY! And thank you Marvel for the change log! |
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 14, 2015 17:06:58 GMT -5
Quick question Marvel: is the KN-44 excluded from the Assault Rifle Silencer buff? If not, it would only take a 16% penalty now, correct? Thanks for getting this information out so quickly. We really appreciate it. The buff decreased the penalty in 10% on everything. On the ARs the range increase was 40%. 40% of the previous 25% range that ARs had with silencer is equal to 10% more range, that means a 65% penalty now. On KN, SMGs and Handgus the range increase was 16,67%. 16,67% of the previous 60% range that those guns had with supressor is equal to 10% more range, that means a 30% penalty now. The KN is an AR so it should also get the 40% buff. It is however a special case among ARs so I would like to know if it actually does or not. If you're asserting that it does I'd like to see a source. |
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Post by RageHulkSmash on Dec 14, 2015 17:59:24 GMT -5
Xclusive Ace did a recent video about suppressor ranges after the hotfix and the KN looks like it's at about a 30% range reduction now.
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Post by JustABitAgroed on Dec 14, 2015 19:13:49 GMT -5
Xclusive Ace did a recent video about suppressor ranges after the hotfix and the KN looks like it's at about a 30% range reduction now. That video was made pre-patch. He had annotations fixing the suppressor ranges, remember? |
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Post by fhelps on Dec 14, 2015 22:37:10 GMT -5
The buff decreased the penalty in 10% on everything. On the ARs the range increase was 40%. 40% of the previous 25% range that ARs had with silencer is equal to 10% more range, that means a 65% penalty now. On KN, SMGs and Handgus the range increase was 16,67%. 16,67% of the previous 60% range that those guns had with supressor is equal to 10% more range, that means a 30% penalty now. The KN is an AR so it should also get the 40% buff. It is however a special case among ARs so I would like to know if it actually does or not. If you're asserting that it does I'd like to see a source. Well, I tested it personally in a Private Match and I'm pretty sure that the buff wasn't of 40%, and also Marvel4 said in this topic that KN got only 16.67% increase, so I think that's it. |
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Post by lllRL on Dec 15, 2015 0:05:48 GMT -5
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that sucks tbh.
