BO3 Weapons Change Log

[I Am Hollywood5]

Big thanks to Marvel4 for his help with specific info on buffs/nerfs

Dec 9, 2015 Balance Pass - "Symthic" style

XR-2
Movement Speed: 96.5% -> 95%
Rapid Fire: burst delay multiplier removed
Rapid Fire: Cyclic fire rate 857rpm -> 952rpm

ICR-1
Hipspread standing maximum: decreased by 7.14%
Hipspread crouching maximum: decreased by 8.33%

M8A7
Rate of Fire (cyclic): 1153rpm -> 1000rpm

VMP
ADS Speed: 200ms -> 250ms

Vesper
4HK Range: 8m -> 7m
5HK Range: 22m -> 18m

Pharo
ADS Speed: 225ms -> 250ms

Razorback
4HK Range: 22m -> 27m

48 Dredge
Rate of Fire (cyclic): 1200rpm -> 1090rpm
Rapid Fire: burst delay multiplier removed
Rapid Fire: Cyclic fire rate 1090rpm -> ?

Dingo
Movement speed when firing: increased by 16.67%
ADS movement speed when firing: increased by 42.86%
Viewkick: yaw decreased by 9.09%

KRM-262
Added damage minimum: increased by 51.51%

205 Brecci
Centerspeed: increased by 50%
2HK range: increased by 33.33%
2-3HK range: increased by 25%
Viewkick yaw: decreased by 50%

Haymaker 12
3-4HK range increased by 25%


work in progress...

Dec 9, 2015 - Balance pass 2

Dec 11, 2015 16:47:36 GMT -5 Marvel4 said:

Some weapons got adjustments to quick reload times.

Handguns with Dual Wield got adjustments to melee times.

XR-2: Movement speed decreased by 1.55%

ICR-1: Hipspread standing maximum decreased by 7.14%
ICR-1: Hipspread crouching maximum decreased by 8.33%

M8A7: Fire time increased by 15.38%
M8A7: Hipspread crouching minimum increased by 100%
M8A7: Hipspread prone minimum increased by 100%
M8A7: Hipspread crouching maximum increased by 71.43%
M8A7: Hipspread prone maximum increased by 33.33%

VMP: ADS time increased by 25%
VMP: Hipspread standing minimum increased by 25%
VMP: Hipspread crouching minimum increased by 14.29%
VMP: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 10%
VMP: Hipspread crouching maximum increased by 12.5%

Vesper: 4HK range decreased by 14.29%
Vesper: 5HK range decreased by 16.67%

Pharo: ADS time increased by 12.5%

Razorback: 4HK range increased by 22.22%

48 Dredge: Fire time increased by 10%

Dingo: Movement speed when firing increased by 16.67%
Dingo: ADS movement speed when firing increased by 42.86%
Dingo: Viewkick yaw decreased by 9.09%

KRM-262: Added damage minimum increased by 51.51%

205 Brecci: Centerspeed increased by 50%
205 Brecci: 2HK range increased by 33.33%
205 Brecci: 2-3HK range increased by 25%
205 Brecci: Viewkick yaw decreased by 50%

Haymaker 12: 3-4HK range increased by 25%

Handguns: Movement speed increased by 2.56%

Handguns with Dual Wield: Drop time increased by 40%
Handguns with Dual Wield: Quick drop time increased by 40%
Handguns with Dual Wield: Quick raise time increased by 100%
Handguns with Dual Wield: Movement speed decreased by 5%

MR6: Drop time increased by 20%

RK5: Damage maximum decreased by 12.5%
RK5: 5HK range decreased by 25%
RK5: ADS spread increased

L-CAR 9: Damage maximum decreased by 25%
L-CAR 9: 4HK range decreased by 6.25%
L-CAR 9: 5HK range decreased by 20%
L-CAR 9: Drop time increased by 20%
L-CAR 9: ADS spread increased by 66.67%
L-CAR 9: Head multiplier decreased by 4.35%

L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread standing minimum increased by 33.33%
L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread crouching minimum increased by 140%
L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread prone minimum increased by 100%
L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 40%
L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread crouching maximum increased by 122.22%
L-CAR 9 with Dual Wield: Hipspread prone maximum increased by 100%

Sparrow: Damage maximum increased by 89.52%

Rolling Thunder: Explosion radius increased by 41.67%
Rolling Thunder: Explosion damage minimum increased by 300%

Mothership (Primary Turret): Explosion damage maximum increased by 100%
Mothership (Primary Turret): Explosion damage minimum increased by 186%

Mothership (Rockets): Projectile speed increased by 25%

Hellstorm (Bomblet): Damage minimum increased by 250%
Hellstorm (Bomblet): Explosion radius decreased by 41.41%

Fast Mags: Reload times decreased by 15.38%

Laser: Hipspread decreased by 13.64%
Laser (SMG): Hipspread increased by 7.14%

Suppressor (KN-44, SMG, Handgun): Range increased by 16.67%
Suppressor (AR): Range increased by 40%

Rapid Fire (Pharo): Burst delay increased by 5.06%
Rapid Fire (XR-2): Burst delay increased by 3.41%
Rapid Fire (M8A7): Burst delay increased by 5.88%
Rapid Fire (48 Dredge): Burst delay increased by 11.11%

"Increased recoil control" for the following:

Kuda
Weevil
Razorback
KN-44
HVK-30
ICR-1
Man-O-War

Dec 2015 - Weapons balance pass 2.5

Dec 17, 2015 12:29:54 GMT -5 Marvel4 said:

Left hand weapons got adjustments to damage and range.

Rapid Fire does not affect burst delay anymore.

Wraith (Flak Drone Rocket): Projectile speed increased by 500%

Rapid Fire (Pharo): Fire time decreased by 8%
Rapid Fire (XR-2): Fire time decreased by 13%
Rapid Fire (M8A7): Fire time decreased by 10%
Rapid Fire (48 Dredge): Fire time decreased by 9%
Rapid Fire (P-06): Fire time decreased by 40%

Nov 13, 2015 - Balance pass 1

Nov 18, 2015 12:04:15 GMT -5 Marvel4 said:

XR-2: Fire time increased by 6.06%
XR-2: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 7.69%

M8A7: Fire time decreased by 13.33%

VMP: ADS time increased by 9.29%
VMP: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 11.11%

Weevil: 4HK range increased by 6.66%

Pharo: 3HK range decreased by 37.5%

Razorback: Range increased by 20%

BRM and 48 Dredge: ADS time increased by 5.11%

Gorgon: Magazine size decreased by 20%
Gorgon: ADS time increased by 10%
Gorgon: ADS centerspeed decreased by 22.58%
Gorgon: Hip centerspeed decreased by 18.75%
Gorgon: ADS movement speed decreased by 12.5%
Gorgon: ADS movement speed when firing increased by 25%
Gorgon: Hipspread standing minimum increased by 33.33%
Gorgon: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 20%
Gorgon: Idle amount increased by 14.29%
Gorgon: Viewkick pitch maximum increased by 10%
Gorgon: Viewkick minimum magnitude increased by 33.33%
Gorgon: Viewkick yaw decreased by 10%

Locus: ADS time decreased by 2.86%
Locus: Idle amount decreased by 33.33%

KRM-262: 1HK range increased by 12.5%
KRM-262: 1-2HK range increased by 7.69%

Haymaker 12: 3-4HK range decreased by 33.22%
Haymaker 12: Fire time increased by 9.29%

Argus: ADS time decreased by 13.6%
Argus: Damage maximum increased by 11.11%

L-CAR 9: 3HK range decreased by 20%

Scythe: Magazine size decreased by 20%

Quickdraw (LMG): ADS time increased by 14.29%

Dingo: Increased recoil control

HVK-30: Increased recoil control

Will keep updated if possible
*(Right now Marv is the only one able to give us real and honest weapon patch notes. Please consider joining me in donating, stuff like this takes up Marv's time and everybody's time is worth something)

[buddy4]

I too would like to see the changes. Honestly, why is Trearch so cryptic with their coding? It's as if they deliberately make the effort to circumvent those waters. If it isn't obvious already, the in game stats with the squares can often be so very misleading.

I hope Marvel is doing ok. I hear this decoding stuff can be overwhelming.

[RageHulkSmash]

BM mentioned the vmp ads time was nerfed from 183ms to 200ms.

[noscreenname]

Any info on XR-2 changes? My guess would be a very slight range decrease or minimal recoil added.

[I Am Hollywood5]

Nov 17, 2015 9:01:35 GMT -5 RageHulkSmash said:

BM mentioned the vmp ads time was nerfed from 183ms to 200ms.

That's an odd change. But I don't believe one word from BM, that delusional prick still believes his app charts are correct.

[Marvel4]

XR-2: Fire time increased by 6.06%
XR-2: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 7.69%

M8A7: Fire time decreased by 13.33%

VMP: ADS time increased by 9.29%
VMP: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 11.11%

Weevil: 4HK range increased by 6.66%

Pharo: 3HK range decreased by 37.5%

Razorback: Range increased by 20%

BRM and 48 Dredge: ADS time increased by 5.11%

Gorgon: Magazine size decreased by 20%
Gorgon: ADS time increased by 10%
Gorgon: ADS centerspeed decreased by 22.58%
Gorgon: Hip centerspeed decreased by 18.75%
Gorgon: ADS movement speed decreased by 12.5%
Gorgon: ADS movement speed when firing increased by 25%
Gorgon: Hipspread standing minimum increased by 33.33%
Gorgon: Hipspread standing maximum increased by 20%
Gorgon: Idle amount increased by 14.29%
Gorgon: Viewkick pitch maximum increased by 10%
Gorgon: Viewkick minimum magnitude increased by 33.33%
Gorgon: Viewkick yaw decreased by 10%

Locus: ADS time decreased by 2.86%
Locus: Idle amount decreased by 33.33%

KRM-262: 1HK range increased by 12.5%
KRM-262: 1-2HK range increased by 7.69%

Haymaker 12: 3-4HK range decreased by 33.22%
Haymaker 12: Fire time increased by 9.29%

Argus: ADS time decreased by 13.6%
Argus: Damage maximum increased by 11.11%

L-CAR 9: 3HK range decreased by 20%

Scythe: Magazine size decreased by 20%

Quickdraw (LMG): ADS time increased by 14.29%

[Pegasus Actual]

Thanks, Marvel. Man, they really went ham on the Gorgon changes. Joke's on them, it still rocks pretty hard.

[dunsparceflinch]

Next time I see some idiot saying the Gorgon needs more nerfing I'm going to show them those changes.

BTW, 1/3 decrease for the 3/4HK range of the haymaker and it STILL feels like it has ridiculously good 4HK range.

[moyer]

Wow. Thank you Marvel.

[Disgruntled Jigglypuff]

Lol, nerf the gorgon's hipfire. Who would hipfire the fuckin gorgon to begin with?

Btw, Vohnderhaar, fuck you.

[noscreenname]

No wonder I have been doing better with the BRM than old Gorgy lately. Thanks Marv.

[LeGitBeeSting]

Look at those stealth changes.

Edito: So did they lie about the Dingo buff?

[tflame]

Nov 18, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5 LeGitBeeSting said:

Look at those stealth changes.

Edito: So did they lie about the Dingo buff?

The Dingo and HVK buffs use new mechanics with new GDT entries. Whether he has discovered them or not, Marvel apparently is not disclosing them

[banana]

Using Marvel's percent changes my math for the XR-2 is 679 (fetty wap) and for the M8a7 is 952. Their original numbers were 720 and 825 if anyone wants to double check the math, please do lol.

So the XR-2 still kills faster, rather use the MoW now though. Interested to see if they increased the HVK's RoF

[JustABitAgroed]

Nov 18, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5 LeGitBeeSting said:

Look at those stealth changes.

Edito: So did they lie about the Dingo buff?

ADS time was buffed from 350 to 330 (or 325, we don't know because apparently adding a thousandths place is beyond BM's capabilities). That's the only buff I know of though.

[JustABitAgroed]

Thanks a bunch Marvel.

[I Am Hollywood5]

Thanks so much Marvel. This is super helpful. Either Vahn doesn't know exactly what's going on over there, or he feels the community shouldn't know whats going on with the weapons in this game. Unfortunately I now suspect it will be like this for the remainder of BO3's life cycle, being cryptic and dishonest about weapon tuning and such.

Nov 18, 2015 16:06:10 GMT -5 tflame said:

Nov 18, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5 LeGitBeeSting said:

Look at those stealth changes.

Edito: So did they lie about the Dingo buff?

The Dingo and HVK buffs use new mechanics with new GDT entries. Whether he has discovered them or not, Marvel apparently is not disclosing them

Wait, how are you aware of this? Care to elaborate? If you know something Marv doesn't please do enlighten us.

[UrbaneVirtuoso]

At last we are shown light. Thanks Marvel. KRM looks tempting now, at least.

[Marvel4]

Nov 18, 2015 21:33:10 GMT -5 JustABitAgroed said:

Nov 18, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5 LeGitBeeSting said:

Look at those stealth changes.

Edito: So did they lie about the Dingo buff?

ADS time was buffed from 350 to 330 (or 325, we don't know because apparently adding a thousandths place is beyond BM's capabilities). That's the only buff I know of though.

The Dingo's ADS time didn't change.

[banana]

Nov 19, 2015 12:10:45 GMT -5 Mousey said:

smogonbirds just teasing you marvel knows everything

talonflame > mouse

[JustABitAgroed]

Nov 19, 2015 12:16:42 GMT -5 Marvel4 said:

Nov 18, 2015 21:33:10 GMT -5 JustABitAgroed said:

ADS time was buffed from 350 to 330 (or 325, we don't know because apparently adding a thousandths place is beyond BM's capabilities). That's the only buff I know of though.

The Dingo's ADS time didn't change.

BM was wrong again? Ugh. Thank you for the info.

[RageHulkSmash]

The Charlie Intel patch notes state "Increased ability to control recoil" for the HVK and the Dingo. I hope drift0r explains this new mechanic soon.

[I Am Hollywood5]

New updates today, hopefully Marvel can come through with the numbers again! Will update OP if he does

[esupin]

Vahn posted about the list of updates on Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/blackops3/comments/3wadit/gameplay_tuning_changes_in_3525354_or/. He also said that more info would be available when the patch notes are released. Overall, I'm happy with the changes.

[LeGitBeeSting]

Me and Kirby just tested it. Its hilarious. The EL Car is a 4HK but the extra one you get from akimbo is a 3HK. With Kimbo the one on the right is a 4HK and the one on the left is 3HK. Classic B3arc.

I can't even make this stuff up.

[-3055-]

So left hand pistols really are coded as a separate entity...

When i wasn't getting bloodthirstys with akimbos, i started to get curious. And then i started to get camo unlocks for headshot challenges way after i got diamond pistols, so i realized the left hand pistol must be viewed as a separate weapon from the right pistol.

[Will]

Dingo
•
Movement speed increased.

So, um, now the Dingo will have faster movement speed than ARs? Wow. Already the best weapon in HC, just got better. Yeeeeeeeah boy

[imrlybord7]

Dec 11, 2015 0:51:01 GMT -5 Will said:

Dingo
•
Movement speed increased.

So, um, now the Dingo will have faster movement speed than ARs? Wow. Already the best weapon in HC, just got better. Yeeeeeeeah boy

Better than the M8 and HVK? Hell naw.

[Will]

Dec 11, 2015 1:09:18 GMT -5 imrlybord7 said:

Dec 11, 2015 0:51:01 GMT -5 Will said:

So, um, now the Dingo will have faster movement speed than ARs? Wow. Already the best weapon in HC, just got better. Yeeeeeeeah boy

Better than the M8 and HVK? Hell naw.

Let's compare the Dingo to the two weapons you listed (in HC), shall we:

Dingo Cons:
- 80ms slower ADS time
- Much slower reload

Dingo Pros:
- Almost 4x the 1HK range
- Twice the magazine capacity (who cares about reload time when you don't need to reload?)

RoF is the same. Hipfire is the same. Movement speed is the same (Dingo soon to be better). Recoil feels the same.

I'm sorry, but statistically, you just have no reason to use those weapons over the Dingo.

[imrlybord7]

Dingo Cons:
- 80ms slower ADS time and weapon class benefits less from Quickdraw
- Stock doesn't work while firing for weapon class

AR Pros:
- OSK in most engagements (~100% with Long Barrel)
- Quickdraw does a bit more and Stock does way more

I don't even need Long Barrel unless I'm using the ICR, but I do run it on the HVK a lot because of its recoil. The M8 doesn't need it though. An AR with Quickdraw and Stock can run through an entire team in a way that an LMG never can. Unless they buff Quickdraw and Stock on LMGs they'll never really compete.