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Post by bradman on Sept 21, 2017 17:24:42 GMT -5
Fancying a bit of buggery now and again doesn't make him gay.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 21, 2017 17:56:23 GMT -5
Fancying a bit of buggery now and again doesn't make him gay. It's only gay if you make eye contact
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Post by malgato on Sept 21, 2017 18:21:21 GMT -5
"I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but I don't go for those backdoor shenanigans." -- Homer J. Simpson.
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Post by qupie on Sept 22, 2017 5:25:46 GMT -5
I have read this before, but I don't see it honestly. How much time have you spend in this game? I must be over 100 now and I still have not reached a point where I needed to grind publics over and over. Do you not play nightfall/raid/crucible? Or do you only have 1 character? I have no desire to run multiple characters. The content is exactly the same, and it's not deep enough to warrant a second playthrough. The Crucible is half-assed and often terribly un-fun to play. Nightfalls might be doable, but all I have seen of them so far makes them more of a hassle than the rewards are worth. And we do not have the people, nor do I want to dedicate the time, to run the raid. So why are you playing this game in the first place? Seems like you bought the wrong game. P.s. creating multiple characters is way less repetative then grinding publics. But why are you even grinding publics? Why even increase your power level if you don't even want to play the raid?
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Post by GodMars on Sept 22, 2017 10:47:49 GMT -5
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Post by markopolo on Sept 22, 2017 10:53:42 GMT -5
I raised my power level by like 6 doing Crucible last night... quite happy about it.
Decent gear and am an max light of 285.
Time to start making Polo2 now
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Post by markopolo on Sept 22, 2017 11:12:08 GMT -5
by the way... are people getting a lot of dupe exotic armour?
All that I've got are 6 Eye of another worlds, 3 peacock armours and 1 starfire protocol.
Anyone getting this too? Is it because I'm running dawnblade so that I'm getting nothing but dawnblade exotic armour? Will running voidwalker give me voidwalker exotics? Or am I just being paranoid?
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Post by GodMars on Sept 22, 2017 12:05:34 GMT -5
by the way... are people getting a lot of dupe exotic armour? All that I've got are 6 Eye of another worlds, 3 peacock armours and 1 starfire protocol. Anyone getting this too? Is it because I'm running dawnblade so that I'm getting nothing but dawnblade exotic armour? Will running voidwalker give me voidwalker exotics? Or am I just being paranoid? It feels like certain exotics are "weighted" to drop more that others. You could argue sample size, but it sounds like something most players are experiencing.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 22, 2017 12:14:06 GMT -5
I mean... I don't mind because I'm using them as infuelsion.... but I want that damn Crown of Tempests for my Palpatine
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Post by blackbarney on Sept 22, 2017 17:52:56 GMT -5
Let's clean up the language a bit please
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Post by GodMars on Sept 22, 2017 22:00:52 GMT -5
A group of us tried Trials this evening; we were thoroughly humiliated. Multiple times.
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Post by qupie on Sept 25, 2017 6:42:03 GMT -5
Trials is a whole other game this time around. Communication communication communication. Stay as a group or give a calout when you engage from multiple sides. Getting in a 2v4 to get in another 2v4 15 seconds later is the best way to loose the battle. Contrary to earlier beliefs I don't think 4v4 mida battles are the way to win. 3v4 with 1 coordinated rusher (preferably a hunter so he can dip really fast if things go south) or 2 coordinated 2 man teams collapsing on the 4 man works best. But to get to that level of communication, you have to play at least 10 games with the same group. Trials LFG is going to be a bitch, but other then that, I absolutely love it Top tier weapon loadouts: Mida + Uriels gift or trials auto rifle Mida + Last hope (the other burst side arms can work too, but this is the best one) Antilope-D (SMG) + energy scout (Tone patrol or trials scout are good) Antilope-D (SMG) + Uriels gift or trials auto rifle Some of these loadouts don't have a scout rifle, but don't challenge scout rifle ranges with your AR! you will die. I prefer to have 3 scouts in our team when I use no scout, so they can go for the scout battle and I flank. Hunter: gunslinger for raw power / shadestep invis for shenanigans Titan: striker with double pulse nades Warlock: storm caller or Void walker In every battle where you loose 1/3 or more of your health, back out unless you don't have any backup or place to run. Yes that also goes for when your opponent also lost 1/3 of his health. If you dip with 66% health and your teammate takes over he has a huge advantage for first pick. 100% vs 66%. Play your life. There are countless more examples of these kind of plays. Call out when you are shooting a guy, and call out how many there are and if you need help. etc etc. Also, watching some twitch can help a lot. Just a few games can really open your eyes.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 25, 2017 9:40:48 GMT -5
A group of us tried Trials this evening; we were thoroughly humiliated. Multiple times. Can't be humiliated if you don't have standards. y1 trials, I ran for one reason alone: fill up 5 cards. I won maybe 1 round. As someone who consistantly gets his ass kicked in trials, I have 0 qualms about it. I'm out of my league and it's a nice "git gewd f$$kboi" for me
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Post by GodMars on Sept 25, 2017 10:33:57 GMT -5
A group of us tried Trials this evening; we were thoroughly humiliated. Multiple times. Can't be humiliated if you don't have standards. y1 trials, I ran for one reason alone: fill up 5 cards. I won maybe 1 round. As someone who consistantly gets his ass kicked in trials, I have 0 qualms about it. I'm out of my league and it's a nice "git gewd f$$kboi" for me I just wanted one win.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 25, 2017 10:41:08 GMT -5
Can't be humiliated if you don't have standards. y1 trials, I ran for one reason alone: fill up 5 cards. I won maybe 1 round. As someone who consistantly gets his ass kicked in trials, I have 0 qualms about it. I'm out of my league and it's a nice "git gewd f$$kboi" for me I just wanted one win. We almost did it too.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 25, 2017 11:01:58 GMT -5
YAY!!!! datto finally got it! Thank god
EDIT: for those who don't want to watch it, here's a little tl;dw: Bungie deliberately didn't make an extensive end game because why do all that work for 3% of your playerbase, when you can do less work for the 80% and focus on their gripes (multiple currencies, leveling gear, piss poor storyline)
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Post by bradman on Sept 25, 2017 11:15:35 GMT -5
YAY!!!! datto finally got it! Thank god EDIT: for those who don't want to watch it, here's a little tl;dw: Bungie deliberately didn't make an extensive end game because why do all that work for 3% of your playerbase, when you can do less work for the 80% and focus on their gripes (multiple currencies, leveling gear, piss poor storyline) Catering to casual players will kill the game quick, because the multiplayer isn't near good enough. It's the hardcore that buy Silver.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 25, 2017 11:45:15 GMT -5
Catering to casual players will kill the game quick, because the multiplayer isn't near good enough. It's the Touch Football that buy Silver. No it won't. Bungie is 100% catering to the new player, making it easy to get their feet wet and, as Datto says, take the player who plays once or twice a week for 2 or 3 hours... and make it easier for them to play, so that they'll play 3 or 4 times a week. Then maybe they'll decide to do a guided game or two... maybe enjoy the experience and join a clan. And why do you think we get free stuff from Eververse for leveling now? What did the Touch Football players get.... oooooh, an emblem. ooooohhh, we got to keep how our character looks. oooooooh, a video montage saying what we did in D1 and when and who we did it with. Where are the chalenge modes? Heroic strike play lists? Where is the endgame stuff? It's not there. Just look at the game... look at it from a new players point of view and what all you get... in comparison to what you got at D1. Hell, do what Datto did and look at the PS trophies to see that only. what... 3% of players have done the raid. Datto is right on the money: those Touch Football players are already hooked. There's no reason to cow-toe and do what reddit says... the Touch Football will eat up and hate any and everything Bungie does, so why cares? Look at the shader system: how many customization threads for appearance did Reddit make over the years? Hundreds. All of those "Why can't I customize my look?" complaints. Destiny literally gave them what they wanted... now you helm, chest, legs, and glove can all be different colours... which is what Reddit wanted. Now, reddit $hits over Bungie for doing it. Look at fireteam voice chat: universally wanted/demanded by Reddit... Bungie gave in and now no one uses it other than to scream at your match made teammates. Here's the truth: Bungie doesn't need the Touch Football players as much as they once did. Much like a band that had a core following and is now mainstream, as long as it's a decent product, they'll have mainstream success. The reviews are overwhelming positive for D2. Any new gamer that is interested in it, will read review after review of why the game is soo good/better than D1. The only people who dislike the game are the ones who have exhausted the content in 3 days and are bored. Bungie is smart: they learned the hard way from how to make the game and took their lumps.
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Post by bradman on Sept 25, 2017 15:45:05 GMT -5
Or, new players will blow through the two weeks of content and move on to Star Wars and CoD. I play 3 or 4 times a week and other than the raid, I'm done. They need to rethink this, because the game is way too shallow. They should have used Diablo as a model or another game with a long ass tail, not turn their game into Destiny:Arkham Knight. The other alternative would have been to expand multiplayer, not contract it into two moshpit playlists. Bungie had a chance to create something greater, and chose the path of least resistance in every aspect.
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Post by qupie on Sept 26, 2017 4:36:20 GMT -5
The one thing severely lacking is loot. A little bit more content would be nice, but loot is the worst part of it.
I really like the new weapon system, no more random perks. But there simply need to be ~5 times as much weapons, or maybe 5 different (but designed and balanced) version of a weapon. With different perks and maybe even slightly different stats.
Add that, a kiosk for legendaries, and some sort of a endless wave gametype with rewards depending how far you get. Like prison of elders done right.
All in all Dato desribed it really well. It is not even lazyness from bungie, it simply is getting their priorities strait. Making money. It is what a company does.
What sets destiny appart from WoW from a companies standpoint? The one time buy vs the monthly subscriptions. But hey, I think destiny 2 has done really well, they sold a lot of copies. It will not be the game we all wanted it to be, but I think we can agree the basis is really solid this time around. Now the question remains how much more content and loot can they spit out before everybody is done playing this game. I want to be possitive, but I am afraid it will be a letdown.
For me, no biggie, I like Trials and that game mode will keep me ocupied for some time. So much room for personal improvement. But for the more PvE minded players in my clan, it is already getting stale.
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Post by tooros on Sept 26, 2017 6:29:27 GMT -5
I think one issue is the powerful gear. The fact it’s the only way to get high level toys, and you’re limited to what? Max 12 pieces a week. All under massive RNG? There is no loot incentive to do anything other than for powerful gear. I’m excluding the raid from this discussion - especially as we don’t yet know if it will become redundant when the next one comes along (like d1). You need to be RNG gambling on three different toons. Once that’s available there is no reason to do public events, earn tokens or patrol anything. PvP and Iron Banner will be done a bit, trials is beyond me I’m afraid.
I’m still loving it but, the penny has started to drop in the last few days. I still haven’t started dudette #3 but it won’t be long.
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Post by qupie on Sept 26, 2017 7:21:16 GMT -5
There are 5 sources of powerful gear. Nightfall, Raid, Crucible, clan xp, flashpoint
Additionally trials gives powerful gear on 3 wins, 5 wins, 7 wins and flawless. Really trials is by far the best source of powerful gear for time invested. As long as you can get to 3 or 5 wins. And really, I think everybody can. As long as you set out to practice for around 10 games with a set team. Don't get salty and don't complain about everything but adapt your playstyle to fit the new meta/gameplay/tactics.
Raid gives powerful gear, but not much in raid itself. ~1 piece per raid average I guess. But all engrams from reward chests are powerful too. Also, get the chests in the underbelly, seems to be 1-~1/4 exotic drop. Got 3 last week.
To conclude the exotic quests. We have 3 quests and both the exotics and legendaries from those quests are high light level. (mida multi, mida mini, rat king, sturm, drang.
The last ones are not really RNG, so take advantage of that. Low kinetic/energy weapon? Do an exotic quest.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 26, 2017 8:02:45 GMT -5
I can speak this time as someone who is playing a reasonable amount of hours and not going full crazy-like. I would define 'reasonable' as playing three to four sessions a week. A few hours in the evening a couple of times, and one good long session. Say like an average of 2 to 2.5 per day average (14-18 hours per week). This is still a ton of time, but farrrrrrrrr less than most intense Destiny gamers who seem to be putting in 30 to 40 hours per week.
So speaking as someone who is playing my level of hours...the game isn't stale at all. I'm playing one character still, and still working it slowly up to 305. I'm at 285 now. I've played the campaign. I've done only the MiniTool quest. I've done about eight strikes, a bunch of public events, one nightfall and a bunch of crucible games. Probably a few other things too, flashpoint stuff.
The point with me listing the things I have done is that my time has been split up VERY evenly and nothing right now feel boring to me. I've also just started raiding the past week or so, and have been slowly knocking off each section. Done all the parts except for the final boss. Tried that last night and well, we failed after a few attempts. That's ok. Makes it kind of fun.
So I still have a fair amount of stuff to do.
If people are bored with the game, my best guess as to why, is that they are all playing the game to much. You put in 40 hour weeks (or probably more) for the first three weeks this has been out, of course much of the content will be played out. Not judging people for playing so much....but come on. You have 4 to 5 days of time played in the first month, there will be nothing left. Maybe you should have slowed down, instead of racing to get three characters to level 305, so you can ...what? Have three at 305 and have nothing to do until the next raid comes out?
IF you are bored, put down the controller and go outside for a bit. Get some fresh air.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 26, 2017 9:16:45 GMT -5
Or, new players will blow through the two weeks of content and move on to Star Wars and CoD. I play 3 or 4 times a week and other than the raid, I'm done. They need to rethink this, because the game is way too shallow. They should have used Diablo as a model or another game with a long ass tail, not turn their game into Destiny:Arkham Knight. The other alternative would have been to expand multiplayer, not contract it into two moshpit playlists. Bungie had a chance to create something greater, and chose the path of least resistance in every aspect. two things: One: you're not new Brad... you're mild/Touch Football. New players play 4 hours a week, not 4 hours 4 times a week. And just think about your armour/item leveling experience between D1 and D2... no mat grinding, no currency issues, no leveling the item to get the exotic perk active. Think about leveling your character: I leveled Dawnblade and 90% of Voidwalker, and I've never used Voidwalker yet other than when I got it and when Slovacrazy during that Shard of the Traveler Mission. By the time it takes you to level one of your subclasses in d1, you could practically level all 3 in D2. Two: and this is my opinion... I think Bungie is deliberately timegating without advertising it. I think they are doing the same thing that they did in TTK, but not showing their cards. I remember when TTK came out and I blew through 600 SC getting the same 4 exotic helms from Xur and being pissed off that the other cool stuff was timegated and I couldn't get it. To me, the launch of d2 was all about harvesting new players... atoning for the mistakes of D1, creating a decent/competitant story line, basking in all the positive reviews that they got, amplifying the praise that they're getting for what they've done. They're doing what any business that runs a free/discounted trial for a service: they're making it as easy and fun as possible. When the next DLC comes out, they'll alter that focus... they'll take those who were new and hook them on the new stuff. The strike playlists will come back, there'll be a new raid... they'll probably bring back Prisoner of the Elders sometime soon.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 26, 2017 14:37:27 GMT -5
Or, new players will blow through the two weeks of content and move on to Star Wars and CoD. I play 3 or 4 times a week and other than the raid, I'm done. They need to rethink this, because the game is way too shallow. They should have used Diablo as a model or another game with a long ass tail, not turn their game into Destiny:Arkham Knight. The other alternative would have been to expand multiplayer, not contract it into two moshpit playlists. Bungie had a chance to create something greater, and chose the path of least resistance in every aspect. Three things: One: you're not new Brad... you're mild/Touch Football. New players play 4 hours a week, not 4 hours 4 times a week. That was funny. Are you trolling Marco? I highly doubt this is even ONE single person who bought this game, and then only played it 4 hours in one week. No way. Ok, maybe, possibly someone who bought the game and thought it sucked, and then quit. But anyone who got it, mildly liked it, is playing triple that time in one week. Even your top end number is way off. Something playing 15 hours a week is probably a moderate/average player in terms of time. Most people doing all that needs done, are people playing 40 hours a week.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 26, 2017 14:43:47 GMT -5
Three things: One: you're not new Brad... you're mild/Touch Football. New players play 4 hours a week, not 4 hours 4 times a week. That was funny. Are you trolling Marco? I highly doubt this is even ONE single person who bought this game, and then only played it 4 hours in one week. No way. Ok, maybe, possibly someone who bought the game and thought it sucked, and then quit. But anyone who got it, mildly liked it, is playing triple that time in one week. Even your top end number is way off. Something playing 15 hours a week is probably a moderate/average player in terms of time. Most people doing all that needs done, are people playing 40 hours a week. I take my number from what other "casual" players have admitted from reddit posts and comment, as well as other streamers youtube videos. Fine... I'll give you 10 hours. Tops. And 10 is generous.... 2 hours x 4 days a week...
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 26, 2017 14:46:14 GMT -5
Four hours a week won't even get you through one mission by the time you take cut scenes, wait times, walking around the tower, reading instructions online and all the other dead time one has to go through in this game.
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Post by markopolo on Sept 26, 2017 15:43:38 GMT -5
Four hours a week won't even get you through one mission by the time you take cut scenes, wait times, walking around the tower, reading instructions online and all the other dead time one has to go through in this game. We'll agree to disagree. A collegue of mine picked up destiny 2 with no knowledge other than "D1's story was supposidly $hit" and did everything up to the mission where you make the cliff jump in an hour.
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Post by iw5000 on Sept 26, 2017 15:48:09 GMT -5
Four hours a week won't even get you through one mission by the time you take cut scenes, wait times, walking around the tower, reading instructions online and all the other dead time one has to go through in this game. We'll agree to disagree. A collegue of mine picked up destiny 2 with no knowledge other than "D1's story was supposidly $hit" and did the mission where you make the cliff jump in an hour. Yes we will. Most normal people tend to get distracted and explore. I killed at least an hour just walking around that earth base camp the first time it opened up. First time on earth probably explored another hour or two blowing up stuff too.
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Post by bradman on Sept 26, 2017 16:23:54 GMT -5
I can speak this time as someone who is playing a reasonable amount of hours and not going full crazy-like. I would define 'reasonable' as playing three to four sessions a week. A few hours in the evening a couple of times, and one good long session. Say like an average of 2 to 2.5 per day average (14-18 hours per week). This is still a ton of time, but farrrrrrrrr less than most intense Destiny gamers who seem to be putting in 30 to 40 hours per week. So speaking as someone who is playing my level of hours...the game isn't stale at all. I'm playing one character still, and still working it slowly up to 305. I'm at 285 now. I've played the campaign. I've done only the MiniTool quest. I've done about eight strikes, a bunch of public events, one nightfall and a bunch of crucible games. Probably a few other things too, flashpoint stuff. The point with me listing the things I have done is that my time has been split up VERY evenly and nothing right now feel boring to me. I've also just started raiding the past week or so, and have been slowly knocking off each section. Done all the parts except for the final boss. Tried that last night and well, we failed after a few attempts. That's ok. Makes it kind of fun. So I still have a fair amount of stuff to do. If people are bored with the game, my best guess as to why, is that they are all playing the game to much. You put in 40 hour weeks (or probably more) for the first three weeks this has been out, of course much of the content will be played out. Not judging people for playing so much....but come on. You have 4 to 5 days of time played in the first month, there will be nothing left. Maybe you should have slowed down, instead of racing to get three characters to level 305, so you can ...what? Have three at 305 and have nothing to do until the next raid comes out? IF you are bored, put down the controller and go outside for a bit. Get some fresh air. At what point will the game be broken in two, and in the trash? Asking for a friend.
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