10-10: RISE, Lords of the Iron Bunghole! Tossed Salad Awaits

[markopolo]

Nightfall: The Inverted Spire


Modifiers

Attrition - No health regeneration. Restore your health by defeating enemies who will drop ‘Well of Light’ for you to pick up
Killing Time - Defeat enemies to gain time

Challenges


Flashpoint: Nessus

Don't forget to buy the Treasure Maps from Cayde-6 as well.

Meditations

Please be aware - The mediation’s are on a different time rotation and may not have yet updated. Currently, these are last weeks set. Will update with new info when it becomes available
Combustion: Hawthorne's waiting on the cliffs above the salt mines. Help her get the word out: we rally at the Farm.
Chosen: The Almighty is finished. Time to go home, save the Traveler, take back the City, and end this war. Be brave.
Hope: Commander Zavala is building a resistance at a moon of Saturn. Make contact and join the fight.

Shaxx Milestone

You may need to visit Shaxx at The Tower to pick this up.


Leviathan Raid rotation

Baths > Gauntlet > Dogs > Calus

[markopolo]

Everything that was to ugly to Copypasta here, is here

www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/75fuzg/d2_iron_banner_megathread_10_10_17/

[bradman]

Don't forget to pick up the questline from Tossed Saladin for IB.

[markopolo]

Where is he? The Tower? Salad Spinner Peak?

EDIT: is it like in D1 where you can do Shaxx bounties in IB?

[Pegasus Actual]

I don't know but it looks like it will let me play IB without doing the unlock Crucible quest. Not that I'm going to. But it would totally let me.

[qupie]

So what do we think about the iron banner gear?

Everybody is hyped as f*ck. Am I the only one thinking this armor doesn't really fit the theme? Hunter armor is ok, titan armor is okish, warlock armor is meh.

But then again, who wants to run a resilience loadout on their hunter?

Might grind the hunter armor for my PvE set (creating 2 different sets, one with PvP stat distribution 4/4/x and mods (counterbalance, kinetic reload, recovery, some ability cooldowns) and one with PvE stats and mods (Heavy reload, kinetic reload, cooldowns).

Do you think it is pretty?

[iw5000]

Oct 11, 2017 3:47:44 GMT -5 qupie said:

So what do we think about the iron banner gear?

Everybody is hyped as f*ck. Am I the only one thinking this armor doesn't really fit the theme? Hunter armor is ok, titan armor is okish, warlock armor is meh.

But then again, who wants to run a resilience loadout on their hunter?

Might grind the hunter armor for my PvE set (creating 2 different sets, one with PvP stat distribution 4/4/x and mods (counterbalance, kinetic reload, recovery, some ability cooldowns) and one with PvE stats and mods (Heavy reload, kinetic reload, cooldowns).

Do you think it is pretty?

Where is the Iron Banner gear?

I got on this morning with my Titan and played IB. I played about six or seven games and got two things finished. 1). A milestone saying I completed crucible games, and 2) a milestone saying I got three IB challenges done.

So I guess I got some rewards due to the Milesstones being done. Plus a bunch of tokens to level up a few times with the IB bro. Looking at my list, I now have one of five packages completed. Do I get gear upon completing all five? Right now, when I got to the IB bro, there is no reward list there.

[markopolo]

Brad and I pounded the Bunghole last night... Got 3 levels of IB... 1 bond, 2 pulses. Bond looks really nice with a shiny shader. No armour. I did get a 305 Nazzarec's Sin from Shaxx though. Hawthorne showered me with grenade launchers though :<

Some games we were the Iron Banana and some games, we were the Iron Bunghole.

Once Brad jumped off, I went up against some Canadian scrubs including a 25 point comeback win (though it was because the guy was AFK and then returned)

I'll hit 10 on PMP1, do the PVE stuff I need to do, then get PMP2 going.

It's fun and all, but I guess I got spoiled on decent IB drops from D1....

[markopolo]

I do agree with Goliathon about this though:

[qupie]

Oct 11, 2017 8:08:11 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

Oct 11, 2017 3:47:44 GMT -5 qupie said:

So what do we think about the iron banner gear?

Everybody is hyped as f*ck. Am I the only one thinking this armor doesn't really fit the theme? Hunter armor is ok, titan armor is okish, warlock armor is meh.

But then again, who wants to run a resilience loadout on their hunter?

Might grind the hunter armor for my PvE set (creating 2 different sets, one with PvP stat distribution 4/4/x and mods (counterbalance, kinetic reload, recovery, some ability cooldowns) and one with PvE stats and mods (Heavy reload, kinetic reload, cooldowns).

Do you think it is pretty?

Where is the Iron Banner gear?

I got on this morning with my Titan and played IB. I played about six or seven games and got two things finished. 1). A milestone saying I completed crucible games, and 2) a milestone saying I got three IB challenges done.

So I guess I got some rewards due to the Milesstones being done. Plus a bunch of tokens to level up a few times with the IB bro. Looking at my list, I now have one of five packages completed. Do I get gear upon completing all five? Right now, when I got to the IB bro, there is no reward list there.

Each package is a guaranteed Iron banner armor or weapon drop. Additionally you can earn other rewards too (but I think those are always extra, additionally to an iron banner weapon or armor piece). You need 20 coins to get a reward, wins give 5 coins, losses 2.

[hebbnh]

Yeah, the current token system blows, and it's another thing they changed from D1 for reasons unknown. I don't think anybody had an issue with the faction ranking system toward the end of D1, and the ability to choose between standard armor, chroma armor, or a weapon made it easy-ish to get that specific thing you wanted. Now it's just a total crapshoot. The token system would be fine IMO if you actually got some kind of say in what you were rewarded with. As it stands, farming for a specific gun or armor piece is like playing the world's most frustrating slot machine.

[markopolo]

Oct 11, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

Yeah, the current token system blows, and it's another thing they changed from D1 for reasons unknown.

IMHO: it's just like all the other vendors: It's to make the grind easier; because all 3 characters share consumable resources, it makes it easier for your 2nd and 3rd character to get stuff

[markopolo]

www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/46391


1.0.3.2 The one about Tower crashes.
General

Fixed an issue that was causing crashes while loading into the Tower

[hebbnh]

Oct 11, 2017 11:13:59 GMT -5 markopolo said:

Oct 11, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

Yeah, the current token system blows, and it's another thing they changed from D1 for reasons unknown.

IMHO: it's just like all the other vendors: It's to make the grind easier; because all 3 characters share consumable resources, it makes it easier for your 2nd and 3rd character to get stuff

Well, yeah, that's part of it I guess, and that's perfectly fine and in fact appreciated.  I still don't see why the option to choose your reward was removed though.  Like hey, let's make this grind easier, but then make the rewards total RNG out of a huge loot pool.  If anything they made the grind for a specific item that much harder.  Just seems like a contradictory design choice, which honestly kind of sums up a lot of things about this game that could use adjustment.

[markopolo]

Oct 11, 2017 11:29:59 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

Oct 11, 2017 11:13:59 GMT -5 markopolo said:

IMHO: it's just like all the other vendors: It's to make the grind easier; because all 3 characters share consumable resources, it makes it easier for your 2nd and 3rd character to get stuff

Well, yeah, that's part of it I guess, and that's perfectly fine and in fact appreciated.  I still don't see why the option to choose your reward was removed though.  Like hey, let's make this grind easier, but then make the rewards total RNG out of a huge loot pool.  If anything they made the grind for a specific item that much harder.  Just seems like a contradictory design choice, which honestly kind of sums up a lot of things about this game that could use adjustment.

.... Could you ever pick your own reward for IB? I knew you could do that for the other factions but not IB.

I'm not defending why they did it (I don't agree with it either) but if I had to hypothesize why they got rid of the choice, it would be that:

1) since Godrolls and perk variety are gone... Bungie felt that the choice wasn't necessary/needed anymore
2) Maybe they looked at the data and saw that one option (weapons, for example) was being picked a vast vast majority of the time and while there was a choice being offered, it ultimately wasn't being chosen?

Again... just hypothesizing not defending

[iw5000]

So can I actually win Iron Banner armor pieces? Or is it just going to be more of the same blue and purple pieces?

[markopolo]

Oct 11, 2017 13:06:05 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

So can I actually win Iron Banner armor pieces? Or is it just going to be more of the same blue and purple pieces?

AFAIK, only from the packages when you hit rank

[GodMars]

Oct 11, 2017 13:06:05 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

So can I actually win Iron Banner armor pieces? Or is it just going to be more of the same blue and purple pieces?

10 ranks and I’ve only gotten 2 piece of armor. That’s 200 tokens worth of RNG.

[bradman]

I've got some IB legs, and a couple of weapons. Gonna have to get mighty lucky to get a complete set of armor.

[malgato]

Oct 11, 2017 16:09:07 GMT -5 GodMars said:

Oct 11, 2017 13:06:05 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

So can I actually win Iron Banner armor pieces? Or is it just going to be more of the same blue and purple pieces?

10 ranks and I’ve only gotten 2 piece of armor. That’s 200 tokens worth of RNG.

www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/75qra8/how_many_iron_banner_levels_will_it_take_you_to/

"I wanted to figure out how many Iron Banner reward packages I'll need to get a full set of Iron Banner armor, so in true Destiny fashion I did a Monte Carlo simulation.

I'm making the following assumptions here:

- There are 13 possible IB loot drops (8 weapons and 5 pieces of armor).
- Each piece of IB gear has an equal chance of dropping, regardless of what gear you've already got.
- Each IB level awards you 1 piece of IB gear.

After 1,000,000 iterations, the average number of reward packages required to get at least one each of five specific drops is: 29.7

That's just an average. Some people will get all the armor in the first five levels; others will take a lot longer. If you get 190 IB rewards and still don't have your full set: congratulations! You're one in a million. And that's starting from 0. So if you're like me and you got 3 reward packages and no armor yet, then you've still got, on average, ~30 more levels to go. Of course at exactly 30 you're allowed to complain that your luck is worse than average. Just thought I'd share in case anyone else was wondering about their odds.

Edit: I should mention that the median is actually only 27. So roughly 50% of everyone will get their full set after 27 reward packages. The average is higher than the median because a few people will get super unlucky. Out of respect for those unlucky few, I don't think we should complain until we hit 30 packages without completing the set."

[GodMars]

Sure, but I could do 100 packages and not get another piece. There is no RNG protection. Same odds every time I open it. Plus, we've all seen how screwy these engrams are, with multiple drops of the same item over and over again. I don't know if that's a bug, or what the deal is. You won't see a single drop of a piece of gear you're looking for for a few weeks, and then you'll get it three times in the span of a few hours. It's happened too often to all of us to be a coincidence.

This whole loot system stinks. Destiny is a game in which you earn nothing. Whether or not you receive a reward is totally random, and higher power levels are often a sign of luck, not skill or hard work. Not that power levels actually mean anything... Jesus, why is it we're playing this game? Someone remind me.

[blackbarney]

Lol, thats a fair question

Space magic?

[qupie]

Pro tip: complete the challenges on all three characters and hand the tokens in on one. The challenges are daily and give you 15 tokens per character.

That is 45 tokens extra in about 10 matches. The double kills are the hardest part, but with some power ammo or supers it is manageable.

[wings]

Oct 11, 2017 10:13:27 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

Yeah, the current token system blows, and it's another thing they changed from D1 for reasons unknown. I don't think anybody had an issue with the faction ranking system toward the end of D1, and the ability to choose between standard armor, chroma armor, or a weapon made it easy-ish to get that specific thing you wanted. Now it's just a total crapshoot. The token system would be fine IMO if you actually got some kind of say in what you were rewarded with. As it stands, farming for a specific gun or armor piece is like playing the world's most frustrating slot machine.

You see, I'd play this Iron Banner if they retained how the rewards were during Rise of Iron. Just as well the Hunter armour didn't have recovery on them so it made me abstaining from it a very easy choice.

[tooros]

3 IB ‘grams. 3 shit IB scouts. Ho hum.

[iw5000]

Oct 11, 2017 16:09:07 GMT -5 GodMars said:

That's just an average. Some people will get all the armor in the first five levels; others will take a lot longer. If you get 190 IB rewards and still don't have your full set: congratulations! You're one in a million. And that's starting from 0. So if you're like me and you got 3 reward packages and no armor yet, then you've still got, on average, ~30 more levels to go. Of course at exactly 30 you're allowed to complain that your luck is worse than average. Just thought I'd share in case anyone else was wondering about their odds.

Edit: I should mention that the median is actually only 27. So roughly 50% of everyone will get their full set after 27 reward packages. The average is higher than the median because a few people will get super unlucky. Out of respect for those unlucky few, I don't think we should complain until we hit 30 packages without completing the set."

One second here, so I can get a clarification on terms.

I sign in to play Iron Banner with my Titan. I play five games. I complete the challenge (which is three tasks), and the game says I won a reputation bundle (or something like that). In addition, I also am winning IR tokens (2 to 5 per game), plus Crucible tokens (I think one per game). When I finish up, I go back to Lord Salad, and I cash in my reputation bundle. I win a few things. I also rank up my meter and win an engram for 20 tokens cashed in (is that the number?). So will need to play four to ten games to rank up the meter. I can also go back down to the Crucible vendor and do the same.

So do I have this straight?

1. There is no Iron Banner vendor from what I see. So unlike before, where I knew if I grinded out hours and hours and was guaranteed IB armor....this is no such guarantee now?>

2. The only thing I can 'win' in the Iron Banner is tokens, which level me up to get engrams. And reputation bundles, which win me more engrams. But these engrams are just pure random.

3. Not only are the engram prizes random, but the randomness ALSO includes regular destiny armor and weapons too, from the general prize pool. So odds are strong I will NOT get an Iron Banner armor piece when cashing in. Odds are slim and I need some luck.

4. My main question.....I have completed three reputation bundles in two days (Two with the titan, one with the warlock). The Milestone thing says I am 50% of the way to getting something. Is this what you mean by completing a level? That would be ONE of the thirty levels needed to achieve a theoretical 50/50 chance of getting the equipment.

Or.....when you say 'levels', seeing how I have won four engrams so far (two with titan, two with warlock), this is what you mean by levels. I am four levels done towards 30. Or maybe you mean both my Titan and Warlock are 2 of 30 levels done. Is this how to view it?

Or by levels, do you mean reputation bundles? I have cashed in three so far (two by the titan, one by the warlock).

I'm confused.

I'm also starting to get pissed off. Pissed off in a sense that my time is valuable. I hate that Bungie can't simply just use a system that is clear and concise on what you need to do to win. Instead, they hide true odds and make the rules unclear, so as people can't get a feel of what's needed, ...with the hope we just 'grind' and waste our time.

[iw5000]

Bungie reminds me of the restaurant 'Dave and Busters'

If you have never been there, it's a huge party place for adults (mostly). A huge restaurant, huge bar, pool tables, TV's, extra party rooms, plus a gigantic adult video game room with lots of games. Video games, old school games, etc...Play and drink. It's kind of fun. The point of this all, D&B employs a 'token' system to play things. You can't use cash to play. You take your $$$$, and buy a gaming card. That gaming card then lets you play games (a game might be 3 to 10 tokens to play)...and on some games, you can win tickets if you do well. When done for the night, you can then take your tickets to a prize room, and win a prize. Some prizes include things like an Xbox One...which might cost 30,000 tickets.

confused yet? Should be, because with booze flowing, swiping cards and cash, by the time you get at the end of the night, you have no clue what you have spent or how much that prize might be costing you because drunk people can't easily do three to four currency conversions in their head. $$$ to card, to tokens, to tickets, to prizes.

That's deliberate, so you will waste your dollars. No one would ever spend $25 for a Duncan YoYo, but that's around how inflated the costs of those prizes are. (keep in mind, D&B is already making money off their inflated booze or drinks)

As an aside, don't ever take your kids there. It's pure evil.

Destiny developers try to employ the same tactics. But instead of using $$$, they employ 'time'. The longer people play their game, keep the population playing, the more money the developers can make on new sales or DLC sales. So their goal is to conflate and confuse people with their time. Confuse you on just how long you are spending time wise, to win some stupid prize (IB armor), that may or may not even give any real benefit. Hence all the confusion with tokens, emblems, etc...It's basically Dave and Buster trickeration.

If you really knew ahead of time that you needed to spend 42 hours to win a set of armor that gives no advantages, other than 'looking cool', you wouldn't play Iron Banner.

and as long as people continue to play this, developers like Bungie will keep doing the above bvllshit over and over on you.

[GodMars]

What blows my mind is that Bungie is under the Activision Blizzard umbrella, yet somehow has been unable to learn anything from Blizzard, the undisputed king of the MMO world. It’s like they’ve decided to do the exact opposite of everything Blizzard has done. Blizzard has spent almost 15 years building and refining MMO loot systems. They’ve made these mistakes, learned from them, and then altered or refined their approach to loot distribution. How do you not look to their work?

[TheHawkNY]

Oct 12, 2017 9:21:49 GMT -5 GodMars said:

What blows my mind is that Bungie is under the Activision Blizzard umbrella, yet somehow has been unable to learn anything from Blizzard, the undisputed king of the MMO world. It’s like they’ve decided to do the exact opposite of everything Blizzard has done. Blizzard has spent almost 15 years building and refining MMO loot systems. They’ve made these mistakes, learned from them, and then altered or refined their approach to loot distribution. How do you not look to their work?

They learned from Overwatch. You'll notice the end-game grind is pretty much purely for cosmetic items, as opposed for good rolls on weapons and armor.

[GodMars]

Oct 12, 2017 9:47:12 GMT -5 TheHawkNY said:

They learned from Overwatch. You'll notice the end-game grind is pretty much purely for cosmetic items, as opposed for good rolls on weapons and armor.

That works if, ya know, the gameplay is actually good. Which it’s not.