5 matches and I've already had enough of the PvP

[malgato]

Oct 6, 2014 10:05:58 GMT -5 hebbnh said:

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "barebones" playlist added at some point which eliminates supers and some of the class abilites and focuses on gunplay, especially if that's something the community pushes for. Sounds like that might be right up your alley!

That would be good, and is consistent with what Bungie has tried to do in the past with Halo.

[wittyscorpion]

With CoD and Halo launching in a month, I think that we will have a healthy mix of PvP options. In that sense, IMHO it is good (at least interesting) that Destiny is different from both far enough. Maybe too random for most players to play "seriously", but that can be its niche, a playground to goof around.

[iw5000]

It's nice to have options Witty, but it's still annoying to me. As I am enjoying Destiny's PvE much more than I thought I would. So that's great. But then Bungie turns around and allows this nonsense to go on in the PvP? I can't understand why. Seems to go against everything Bungie stood for with Multiplayer back from the Halo days.

[psychlon]

Oct 6, 2014 8:02:46 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

Oct 5, 2014 22:58:05 GMT -5 GodMars said:

So, TheHawkNY was just wrecking everyone in Crucible with his brand new Vex Mythoclast. I'm hoping we can add another Vex or two to the clan this week with another Hard Mode victory.

Article about that already. Bungie keeps embarrassing itself with bvllshit like this. And why would you guys go take pride in beating people down with what is garbage unfair gunplay like this? Seriously, watching that video, it's just cheap. On every level. The TTK with that gun is like 1/3 of of a regular full auto. We're not talking milli-seconds, we are talking seconds. This is basically a cheating code/exploit no different than a CoD player using some invincibility glitch. Oh wait, that's right. Bungie ENCOURAGES this stuff in Destiny.

And why is the media just now talking about about the garbage going on the PvP? This bs has been happening since day 1.

It is the weapon players are calling "unfair", "broken" and "overpowered" - but is it?



The Vex Mythoclast is a powerful gun found in Bungie's first-person shooter Destiny - and there's a video doing the rounds that's causing some to say it should be blocked from use in the game's competitive multiplayer.

In The Crucible, Guardians fight against each other using the weapons and gear they have found while playing the game's various modes. This includes loot dropped by defeated computer controlled enemies and items sold by NPC vendors at The Tower social hub.

In most of the PvP modes available, the damage rating of all weapons is normalised in an attempt to level the playing field. But the Vex Mythoclast seems to be breaking the system.

Is the Vex Mythoclast overpowered? Should it be nerfed? Or is it legit?

The Vex Mythoclast is an exotic class Fusion Rifle. What makes it special is that it's classed as a primary weapon. Fusion Rifles, which are, typically, more powerful than primary weapons, are normally restricted to the special weapon slot and require the harder to come by special weapon ammo. Not so the Vex Mythoclast.

So, really, the gun is a Fusion Rifle crossed with a Scout Rifle, doing the high elemental damage of a Fusion Rifle but with the high rate of fire and common ammo type of a Scout Rifle. Here's its profile on Destinydb.

It's a potential prize for completing the Vault of Glass raid on hard difficulty - Destiny's toughest challenge. So while relatively few players will have the Vex Mythoclast, some will. And those who take it into PvP are causing a stink.

The video, below, shows us one Crucible match from the perspective of player Kirby mT, who was awarded the Vex Mythoclast for completing Vault of Glass on hard (warning: there are more than a few swears). Check out his character sheet out on Bungie.net.

We see him killing enemy Guardians in just a few shots - sometimes from the hip. Enemy shields don't seem to matter much. He dominates proceedings to such an extent that some of the players quit the game.

The video raises an interesting question about Bungie's design decisions. Character progression and gear is persistent across all modes, including PvP, so players do not start a competitive multiplayer match with the same loadout, as they did in Bungie's Halo games. And while there is a system in place to normalise the attack power of weapons, it's clear there is much to a Guardian's "legend", as Bungie puts it, that provides an advantage.

Destiny does have a mode that deliberately does not normalise the attack power of weapons. It's called The Iron Banner, which is set to kick off next month. In The Iron Banner there can be no complaints. Elsewhere, it's a different story.

So, what's to be done? Bungie has already demonstrated a willingness to respond to feedback quickly with hotfixes, and a patch is due out next week that does address the balance of the various weapon types. Will the Vex Mythoclast be nerfed?

I'd advice to just sit back and see this fixed quicker than other stuff. Considering that it's a fusion rifle as primary and dishing out huge damage, Bungie will take care of it. On the other side it will fix itself already by people leaving the game and therefor people starting with this weapon will be fairly alone, considering that there is no re-fill (I've read).

[iw5000]

Why would you assume Bungie will fix it? The entire PvP experience has been the above (just to slightly lessor amounts). imho, Bungie is fine with this. They want the game to be about this. Grind & grind in the PvE, so you are rewarded and have a leg up on opponents in the Multiplayer. That is Destiny.

[psychlon]

Just because it is live doesn't necessarily imply such thing. There hasn't been a single game in my past where similar things didn't exist for some time. Heck battleloggers on youtube have other OP stuff in the history of Battlefield turned into funny comics. The guy designing this gun overdid it, maybe because beating the raid on hard should have some sort of memorable reward and the guy responsible for pvp didn't pay enough attention. It's people programming, these things do happen.

[GodMars]

Oct 6, 2014 10:59:13 GMT -5 iw5000 said:

Why would you assume Bungie will fix it? The entire PvP experience has been the above (just to slightly lessor amounts). imho, Bungie is fine with this. They want the game to be about this. Grind & grind in the PvE, so you are rewarded and have a leg up on opponents in the Multiplayer. That is Destiny.

Because they're nerfing shotguns and buffing scout rifles.

[iw5000]

Oct 6, 2014 11:25:50 GMT -5 psychlon said:

Just because it is live doesn't necessarily imply such thing. There hasn't been a single game in my past where similar things didn't exist for some time. Heck battleloggers on youtube have other OP stuff in the history of Battlefield turned into funny comics. The guy designing this gun overdid it, maybe because beating the raid on hard should have some sort of memorable reward and the guy responsible for pvp didn't pay enough attention. It's people programming, these things do happen.

The multiplayer was deliberately made to be unbalanced though. There was no programming error with it.

[Dumien]

Oct 6, 2014 7:03:44 GMT -5 GodMars said:

Oct 6, 2014 1:31:52 GMT -5 Dumien said:

Yeah gotta get everyone up and ready for iron banner. We have one mythoclast here last I checked.

Anyone get the arc hand cannon yet on PS4?

I don't think so. Who got the Mythoclsst Xbox-side?

PK Bishop

The previous day he got every single raid gear piece (set of the 3 needed) in one raid. Insta 30...

Lucky turd.

[wittyscorpion]

Oct 6, 2014 19:20:57 GMT -5 Dumien said:

Oct 6, 2014 7:03:44 GMT -5 GodMars said:

I don't think so. Who got the Mythoclsst Xbox-side?

PK Bishop

The previous day he got every single raid gear piece (set of the 3 needed) in one raid. Insta 30...

Lucky turd.

Sounds like he needs to stop playing this game, go buy a lottery ticket, then get his ass over to Vegas improptu

[GodMars]

I got the Arc Hand Cannon today, BTW. Looks pretty nice.