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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 8:16:45 GMT -5
Stock has no effect while shooting Okay so the stock attachment does not effect shooting, but is there an issue with ADS shooting while strafing?(to avoid being shot) Is there an issue? Well, yeah, you're super slow when ADS shooting. It's always been that way (depending on gun class, of course).
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2015 8:24:01 GMT -5
I think stock DOES affect shooting, if you are very used to the old stock from prior games. You get an old gun like the AN94 from BO2, ...you could dance all around left and right, strafing while you take out an enemy. Now? You equip stock and sort of feel the same motion, but go ads? Boom. It's like you are a car and just smacked a telephone pole. You jerk to a half, your aim goes off a little, etc.. AND you watch your opponent just jump right out of your ADS aim movement. You die.
I stopped using Stock. I feel like I am not getting it, how to use that attachment anymore. With that, I'm also trying very hard to hardly ever go ADS anymore. If I do, it's at the last possible second if I am sure I have caught the enemy at the end of his movement, not early.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 8:47:33 GMT -5
I think stock DOES affect shooting, if you are very used to the old stock from prior games. You get an old gun like the AN94 from BO2, ...you could dance all around left and right, strafing while you take out an enemy. Now? You equip stock and sort of feel the same motion, but go ads? Boom. It's like you are a car and just smacked a telephone pole. You jerk to a half, your aim goes off a little, etc.. AND you watch your opponent just jump right out of your ADS aim movement. You die. I stopped using Stock. I feel like I am not getting it, how to use that attachment anymore. With that, I'm also trying very hard to hardly ever go ADS anymore. If I do, it's at the last possible second if I am sure I have caught the enemy at the end of his movement, not early. I assume you're running SMGs almost exclusively.
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Post by qupie on Nov 18, 2015 8:57:53 GMT -5
Sounds like stock can still be usefull, but there is a very long learning curve to get used to it. Your reflexes have to account for the fact that your strafing speeds will differ between when you are shooting or just ADS without shooting. You never had to do this in the past, and this is a completely new "skill/muscle memory" to learn.
While that is not perse a bad thing, I am going to skip that because I don't see myself playing this game longer than a few months next to destiny. So no stock for me I guess... Makes me kinda sad though.
Should I just stick with sub machine guns then? And how does ads/stock work for those? Are they still at 80% speed without stock?
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 18, 2015 9:00:26 GMT -5
Are we saying that ADS strafing is a bit goosed? I'm struggling staying on target a bit doing this and I do tend to use stock on most classes. Stock has no effect while shooting See: It's not the shitty movespeed that makes the stock bad, it's the nonexistent bonus while firing that makes it godawful. Nope, you still move faster either way. I think the stock bonus is just very small while shooting. To me K/D is a pretty poor gauge on weapon performance as you use different weapons in different ways. Certain playstyles net higher K/Ds than others. That might explain your K/D discrepancy with the XM8.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2015 9:04:04 GMT -5
I think stock DOES affect shooting, if you are very used to the old stock from prior games. You get an old gun like the AN94 from BO2, ...you could dance all around left and right, strafing while you take out an enemy. Now? You equip stock and sort of feel the same motion, but go ads? Boom. It's like you are a car and just smacked a telephone pole. You jerk to a half, your aim goes off a little, etc.. AND you watch your opponent just jump right out of your ADS aim movement. You die. I stopped using Stock. I feel like I am not getting it, how to use that attachment anymore. With that, I'm also trying very hard to hardly ever go ADS anymore. If I do, it's at the last possible second if I am sure I have caught the enemy at the end of his movement, not early. I assume you're running SMGs almost exclusively. Barely used smgs so far. 1st Prestige, lv 25 or so. I have experimented with the ManOWar, ICR, HVK, KN44, and a tiny bit with the M8. Lots of attachment combos with each. Also maxed out the Gorgon. I can't say I have really found anything that feels great. I'm kind of mediocre with everything. I did switch up last night to a new combo. HVK with grip, silencer and laser sight. I did well four games in a row (top score in 3 of 4 games), but hard to say that is meaningful in any sort of way. Could just be shitty lobbies. I'm still playing most Domination. So it's hard at times to get a feel of how I am doing. Get a shitty lobby and good connection? I can dominate. I get into a game in progress, against a full squad, I get annihilated. Up and down, down and up. Whatever. It's CoD.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 18, 2015 9:04:53 GMT -5
The obvious answer to your woes is the Judge Dredge 48 or the P06 w/ ELO.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2015 9:14:53 GMT -5
The obvious answer to your woes is the Judge Dredge 48 or the P06 w/ ELO. Not really woes on my end. I have impressed myself quite a bit, and have been able to actually say 'FVCK IT' and just grind through regardless of GiPs, bad stats or whatever. The point is to learn the maps, get a bit better, pick up tips as you see things. All that, and just experiment, screw around. This CoD, I really don't give two cents about my stats. I'm keeping it casual and still not doing terrible. KD is like 1.1, and WL is like 1.80. With the aove, I've never understood that about CoD players. Seriously, 99% of the player population only cares about how their skills are PERCEIVED, not really how they play. Like nearly all players will seek out shitty opponents to give themselves big scores, at the expense of actually getting better. You don't get better at this game, playing 10 year old retards who cant' hold the controller. Sure, you 'feel' better seeing a 50-10 stat page, and killing the blind kids, but nothing there is actually making you better. Played with some clown who had a [DooM] clan tag last night. He dropped 46 kills in a game I joined. We won. Lobby reshuffled, the next game, he started out 5-7, was complaining about how the opponents were playing. At halftime, I noticed my team only had four guys. M<r [DooM] was gone. Quit. Yeah, he's the typical 'good' CoD player. He can drop big scores on retards, but when the going gets tough? Quit. That's how almost all CoD players think. Any real sport or activity you do (that involves head to head competition), you only get better by practicing/competing with better people than yourself.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 9:40:55 GMT -5
Stock has no effect while shooting See: Nope, you still move faster either way. I think the stock bonus is just very small while shooting. To me K/D is a pretty poor gauge on weapon performance as you use different weapons in different ways. Certain playstyles net higher K/Ds than others. That might explain your K/D discrepancy with the M8. I'm pretty sure the constant gun jamming and the inconsistency in the number of bursts it takes to kill at certain ranges is why there is a discrepancy.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2015 9:53:25 GMT -5
If I have the time tonight, I'm going to test the stock attachment.
Or maybe someone else can do it.
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Post by qupie on Nov 18, 2015 10:12:37 GMT -5
What is this "jamming" you guys are talking about? I cannot imagine what is meant by that.
Is it the same as the "jamming" Destiny guns did in the past, aka people don't pull the trigger far enough?
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Post by lustindarkness on Nov 18, 2015 10:21:38 GMT -5
I did switch up last night to a new combo. HVK with grip, silencer and laser sight. I did well four games in a row (top score in 3 of 4 games), but hard to say that is meaningful in any sort of way. Could just be shitty lobbies. How much did silencer affect the HVK? I just started playing with that gun the other day, it feels like a balanced jack of all trades master of none kind of gun.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 11:05:17 GMT -5
What is this "jamming" you guys are talking about? I cannot imagine what is meant by that. Is it the same as the "jamming" Destiny guns did in the past, aka people don't pull the trigger far enough? Your trigger pull speed exceeds the firecap, thus jamming the gun, making it unable to fire. It was put in as an anti-cheat mechanism to combat people using rapid fire-modded controllers. Funny thing is it doesn't stop modern modded controllers, but punishes those of us with naturally fast trigger fingers.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 11:05:48 GMT -5
How much did silencer affect the HVK? I just started playing with that gun the other day, it feels like a balanced jack of all trades master of none kind of gun.
Silencers suck.
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Post by lustindarkness on Nov 18, 2015 11:26:34 GMT -5
How much did silencer affect the HVK? I just started playing with that gun the other day, it feels like a balanced jack of all trades master of none kind of gun.
Silencers suck. Yes, yes they do. But they suck more on some weapons than others. I hope to set up at least one silenced quiet class at some point.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 12:00:54 GMT -5
Yes, yes they do. But they suck more on some weapons than others. I hope to set up at least one silenced quiet class at some point. Sniper
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 12:06:15 GMT -5
I'm so fucked up from using the M8A7 I can't kill with any weapon right now. If I go to play I get stomped.
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 18, 2015 12:23:19 GMT -5
How much did silencer affect the HVK? I just started playing with that gun the other day, it feels like a balanced jack of all trades master of none kind of gun.
I would agree with that, but then again, none of the full autos feel THAT great to me right now either. All the full autos have weaknesses and strengths. And the M8? not clicking for me yet Also.... The problem is I just can't tell that reasonably well when trying to judge performance. Between lag, opponent skill levels, my own map awareness/movements (sometimes good, sometimes bad) .....between all of those things, it's just hard to tell just how much some range drop off with the silencer is hurting me. To many other variables going on. You know? In theory, I'm sure it might hurt me a few times a game when I am outshot in that range dropoff zone. 3 to 4 encounters maybe I get smacked, out of maybe 40 encounters I run into? Can't be more than that. Let's say 10% of the time. But on the other hand, I'm no longer showing up on everyone's radar, my big red dot azz shining all bright. Telling every opponent that is nearby to come stalk me or set up to kill me. That will help me on every single kill, as I'm off radar. I did the laser sight ...because I am getting smacked around in this game by people just zig-zagging right out of my ADS shooting. I ADS, can't move, they go right around me and kill me. I'm trying to avoid ADS'ing a lot more, and start hipfiring first as a mean to counter this. Maybe Laser Sight will help.
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Post by banana on Nov 18, 2015 15:03:13 GMT -5
How much did silencer affect the HVK? I just started playing with that gun the other day, it feels like a balanced jack of all trades master of none kind of gun.
The ICR is the jack of all trades master of blah blah The HVK > every auto AR besides the MoW Long Barrel will be necessary though if you use silencer
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 18, 2015 18:54:26 GMT -5
I'm so Foxtroted up from using the M8A7 I can't kill with any weapon right now. If I go to play I get stomped. Hop in the KD Clinic (FFA) and go 30-0 every game with Awareness/DS. That should boost your confidence. Edtio: Also way to get the Judge Dredge nerfed guys. DJ is spy.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 19:46:42 GMT -5
I'm so Foxtroted up from using the M8A7 I can't kill with any weapon right now. If I go to play I get stomped. Hop in the KD Clinic (FFA) and go 30-0 every game with Awareness/DS. That should boost your confidence. Edtio: Also way to get the Judge Dredge nerfed guys. DJ is spy. After beginning on working the KN-44 toward gold, I put it aside for the Man-o-War, and boy am I glad I did. Got back into the swing of things and really enjoying the gun. I'm hoping to have it golded before I hit my next prestige (I'm around level 40 now).
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Post by Will on Nov 18, 2015 22:09:57 GMT -5
drift0r just told us that the long barrel DOUBLES the range on assault rifles. It is shit on all other weapons.
So assault rifles are ridiculously OP... when used with a long barrel.
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Post by GodMars on Nov 18, 2015 22:17:03 GMT -5
But how often do those ranges into play? It's very gun and map dependent. I'm not so sure id give up Quickdraw and Grip for it.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Nov 18, 2015 22:50:52 GMT -5
Long Barrel becomes an attractive investment when Fast Hands carries everything as is.
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Post by LeGitBeeSting on Nov 18, 2015 22:55:49 GMT -5
So it should bump up the Brecci's 2HK range as it's a 2-3HK? But I think they gave the Brecci some sort of junk redundant DMG value just for long barrel so it's just more reach. Not sure though.
Edito: If this is correct then it's KN/XM8 master race.
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Post by Pope Leo VII on Nov 19, 2015 10:03:37 GMT -5
I think stock DOES affect shooting, if you are very used to the old stock from prior games. You get an old gun like the AN94 from BO2, ...you could dance all around left and right, strafing while you take out an enemy. Now? You equip stock and sort of feel the same motion, but go ads? Boom. It's like you are a car and just smacked a telephone pole. You jerk to a half, your aim goes off a little, etc.. AND you watch your opponent just jump right out of your ADS aim movement. You die. I stopped using Stock. I feel like I am not getting it, how to use that attachment anymore. With that, I'm also trying very hard to hardly ever go ADS anymore. If I do, it's at the last possible second if I am sure I have caught the enemy at the end of his movement, not early. I assume you're running SMGs almost exclusively. In the same boat, SMGs are the only guns I have come across thus far that can earn me consistent kills.. Maxed the Kuda and Pharoh, and both are owning hard. Going from the Pharoh to Kuda.. Man oh man.. my aim feels even better and was wrecking for the 10 games or so I played with kuda. ARs in this game have been a major pain in the ass, cant seem to figure them out.. One more level and I pick up my beloved M8.. Tried to make the XR-2 work, and atleast in my hands its a complete crap shoot. Regardless of range and how my aim is its hitmarkers after hitmarkers
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 19, 2015 10:28:51 GMT -5
There seems to be some debate on this, but I would swear the normal ADS strafe speeds are slightly slower in this game. And with that, if you use Stock, ...it only very marginally helps at all. At least for me, I couldn't even begin to list all the times I go to ADS, and just watch an smg user run, jump or zig/zag right out of my shots. And again, i'm referring to moving targets. It's almost like going ADS is a death sentence (unless the opponent is 15 to 20m out)
Maybe someone can verify for me, if I am barking up the wrong tree....but it seems like one almost needs to do a lot more initial hip firing on opponents, and then just sort of quick scope/ads in to get the remaining shots on target?
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Post by lustindarkness on Nov 19, 2015 12:12:30 GMT -5
iw, it feels the same way to me.
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Post by banana on Nov 19, 2015 15:00:10 GMT -5
So it should bump up the Brecci's 2HK range as it's a 2-3HK? But I think they gave the Brecci some sort of junk redundant DMG value just for long barrel so it's just more reach. Not sure though. Edito: If this is correct then it's KN/XM8 master race. KN gets the regular 13%
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Post by iw5000 on Nov 20, 2015 9:09:44 GMT -5
I've been using the KN with Laser Sight, Grip and Rapid Fire. Finding success with that.
I thimk it marginally helps me a few times a game, dealing with smg'ers who out move, and out RoF me.
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