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Post by markopolo on Dec 3, 2012 14:46:06 GMT -5
Nah.... Unless FMJ made all bullet damage hurt more (not just penetration damage.,.. hee heeheeheeheehee) it's just not worth a 2nd/3rd attachment spot
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Post by Usagi on Dec 4, 2012 21:01:42 GMT -5
FMJ is worthless.
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Post by asasa on Dec 4, 2012 22:59:30 GMT -5
I agree that it has been useless in the past, but I find it quite useful in here. So much penetrable cover.
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Post by UrbaneVirtuoso on Dec 4, 2012 23:35:44 GMT -5
Anyone else partial to using the HAMR naked? The thing has wonderful accuracy even without a grip, and quick bursts lend itself well to CQC. I don't quite understand it, but I can force many engagements quite well enough in my favor with this:
- Assault Shield - Overkill - HAMR - Tactical Insertion - Tactician - Black Hat PDA - Black Hat PDA - Flak Jacket - Scavenger - Tactical Mask
If anything I suppose it's the first primary.
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Post by xFEARtheSHIELDx on Dec 5, 2012 0:39:00 GMT -5
I'd still honestly like to know why the LSAT isn't more popular to the posters on the first three pages.
To me its like this:
MK48 - ROF too sluggish, like the MW3 M60 without the 2HK. Gets me owned in CQC
QBB - Great out to midrange, recoil makes it severely lacking past that
HAMR - possibly best of both worlds, tho waiting for it to become accurate at range is less than optimal sometimes
LSAT - great at any range, no weaknesses
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Post by wantonRULE on Dec 5, 2012 8:26:47 GMT -5
is it me or is the flinch on lmgs much more noticeable? i was using an LSAT last night (after reading this thread and first game i did well but the games after I found it very hard to stay on target due to the enormous flinch i was getting after being hit. Most of these were caused by smgs with rds hipfiring fairies but nonetheless i was surprised how noticeable flinch was with lmgs.
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Post by Marvel4 on Dec 5, 2012 8:55:07 GMT -5
Probably because of their higher zoom.
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Post by wantonRULE on Dec 5, 2012 8:57:20 GMT -5
Probably because of their higher zoom. that would do it...i remember that thread, didn't pay attention to the lmg section. your marveleous and i would give you a hug and a cookie just because
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Post by markopolo on Dec 5, 2012 10:21:43 GMT -5
I'd still honestly like to know why the LSAT isn't more popular to the posters on the first three pages. To me its like this: MK48 - ROF too sluggish, like the MW3 M60 without the 2HK. Gets me owned in CQC agreed... but I found sucess with it with practiceQBB - Great out to midrange, recoil makes it severely lacking past that You're doing it wrong: >>super<< quick shooting and a great long distance killer... on the right map (Yemen, Turbine, Rundown) you can get 5+ long shot medals without even trying that hard (especially with a TFinder).. easy way to compensate for the recoil is just to aim lower than normal... even if you get surprised, you can put a quick # of bullets into your foe hip firing due ot the insane fire rateHAMR - possibly best of both worlds, tho waiting for it to become accurate at range is less than optimal sometimes Haven't used it enough yet to make an opinion on itLSAT - great at any range, no weaknesses long reload time, slower shooting than others... if you get jumped or surprised, you'll lose the fight 8 times out of 10... I find those reason alone to make it a step below the QBB Stuff you missed... in my humble opinion
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 6, 2012 13:20:28 GMT -5
MK48 - ROF too sluggish, like the MW3 M60 without the 2HK. Gets me owned in CQC The weapon's range is incredible, that's one of the draws for it for me. Sure, it's not the best at CQC, but you're using an LMG, you won't be as good as almost any other weapon at CQC if you aren't prepared. I prefer using it if I expect long range encounters often. HAMR - possibly best of both worlds, tho waiting for it to become accurate at range is less than optimal sometimes I love using this because at CQC, the first 7 bullets firing faster is a big help in CQC and helps at range if you burst. Even full auto at range, the slow down helps steady the aim a great deal. I haven't tried the QBB or LSAT yet (planning on it tonight if I play), but I have an idea I won't like the QBB and will probably enjoy the LSAT. I don't like LMGs with high RoF and bad recoil, as I tend to play a mix of CQC and Range. If the LSAT is as accurate as many make it to be, I might use that as I did the L86 in MW3... though I'll have to compare it to the MK48.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 6, 2012 13:27:32 GMT -5
I haven't tried the QBB or LSAT yet (planning on it tonight if I play), but I have an idea I won't like the QBB and will probably enjoy the LSAT. I don't like LMGs with high RoF and bad recoil, as I tend to play a mix of CQC and Range. If the LSAT is as accurate as many make it to be, I might use that as I did the L86 in MW3... though I'll have to compare it to the MK48. Once you earn the foregrip and the TFinder, you'll love the QBB. Once you unlock the supressor, you'll love it even more. Throw on the primary gunfighter wild card, run all three and it'll be christmas in heaven for you. The recoil is fine as long as you aim for the chest/torso area and let'er rip. And even if you lose a cqc battle, you'll at least get an assist out of the deal because you'll have put 2/3/4 bullets into them and someone just has to fart on them or throw them a dirty look to get you an assist.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 6, 2012 13:33:43 GMT -5
I haven't tried the QBB or LSAT yet (planning on it tonight if I play), but I have an idea I won't like the QBB and will probably enjoy the LSAT. I don't like LMGs with high RoF and bad recoil, as I tend to play a mix of CQC and Range. If the LSAT is as accurate as many make it to be, I might use that as I did the L86 in MW3... though I'll have to compare it to the MK48. Once you earn the foregrip and the TFinder, you'll love the QBB. Once you unlock the supressor, you'll love it even more. Throw on the primary gunfighter wild card, run all three and it'll be christmas in heaven for you. The recoil is fine as long as you aim for the chest/torso area and let'er rip. And even if you lose a cqc battle, you'll at least get an assist out of the deal because you'll have put 2/3/4 bullets into them and someone just has to fart on them or throw them a dirty look to get you an assist. I have a feeling I won't, as my favorite LMGs in BO and MW3 is the M60... I seem to like slow firing powerful weapons over fast shooting weak ones it seems.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 6, 2012 13:38:00 GMT -5
I have a feeling I won't, as my favorite LMGs in BO and MW3 is the M60... I seem to like slow firing powerful weapons over fast shooting weak ones it seems. It's not that big of a diffence in damage (40 to 35, 24 to 20) but I see what you're saying. just give it a whirl... if you like LMG's, you shant be disappointed
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 6, 2012 13:49:20 GMT -5
It's just the way the weapon feels... it's hard to explain.
And I do love LMGs. Again, I'd run the M60 in Nuketown and a few select maps in BO, and I'm run the M60/L86 all the time in MW3. Hell, I ran the M60 a lot in CQC maps with a run and gun class and did damned well (okay, well compared to normal for me).
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Post by markopolo on Dec 6, 2012 15:07:28 GMT -5
Well... run it for some levels and tell me whatcha think.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 6, 2012 15:32:15 GMT -5
Well... run it for some levels and tell me whatcha think. I will for sure.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 6, 2012 16:02:24 GMT -5
Well... run it for some levels and tell me whatcha think. I will for sure. Good, I'm begining to think I'm the only one in the world who uses the gun
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Post by Amirror on Dec 6, 2012 16:04:55 GMT -5
If you are using a LMG with Adjustable Stock and Ghost, will you be kept off the radars while ADSing? If not, does it keep you off adding on Lightweight?
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Post by markopolo on Dec 6, 2012 16:15:29 GMT -5
If you are using a LMG with Adjustable Stock and Ghost, will you be kept off the radars while ADSing? If not, does it keep you off adding on Lightweight? Not according to a different thread that I am too lazy to link to (the one about adjustable stock helping ads time)
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 7, 2012 10:20:07 GMT -5
So I gave the QBB and LSAT a try yesterday. I'll post my initial reactions, but save my final verdicts until after I have Quickdraw unlocked (as, again, I tend to watch&defend as well as run&gun, even with LMGs):
QBB: For the first 7 bullets, the HAMR fires as fast as the QBB (without RF, of course) with slightly more damage (not really noticeable) and better range. The range is something that I did notice along with what felt like a stronger recoil as well. My CQC battles were about the same as with the HAMR (assuming equal attachments), but my ranged encounters suffered more with sustained fire and just in general with needing one more bullet to kill on average. If I were to pick an LMG for a "CQC only" class, I'd probably pick the QBB with Rapid Fire. However, since I mix things up with LMGs, I'll probably stick with the HAMR for more CQC oriented encounters since it feels as if it has less recoil and becomes more accurate after those first bullets.
LSAT: This one I liked a little more. Recoil felt very manageable, damage was decent at range and the RoF still felt decent for CQC encounters. As I said before, HAMR will be my go to LMG class in smaller maps (EG: Hijacked), but now I'm stuck between the MK48 and LSAT for my LMG for longer maps (EG: Carrier). Up really close, the LSAT is obviously the better choice because of the higher RoF, but at range I'm not quite sure which one I'd prefer.
I'm curious how what the recoil is like between my options (QBB vs HAMR and MK48 vs LSAT)... Again, I'm giving both of them until Quickdraw and then will run a few games swapping between the two options and seeing which I like best. The fact that the QBB and MK48 are unlocked from 4 means that the QBB will probably be my CQC choice unless I decide to spend a Prestige token on the HAMR.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 7, 2012 10:24:04 GMT -5
If you are using a LMG with Adjustable Stock and Ghost, will you be kept off the radars while ADSing? If not, does it keep you off adding on Lightweight? Not according to a different thread that I am too lazy to link to (the one about adjustable stock helping ads time) Here you go: Megaqwerty is correct. When you have ghost equpped your own triangle on the mini map will fade out when you are "cloaked". Crouch walking cloaks as well as ADS walking on some guns. Also you have to walk(push nearly full forward on joystick) about 10 yards to go from "uncloaked" back to "cloaked." ADS Walking:Cloaked: SMG: All the time Shotgun: All the time AR: ONLY W/ Stock Attachment LMG: ONLY W/ Stock Attachment Uncloaked: AR: Without Stock Attachment LMG: Without Stock Attachment Sniper Rifles: All the time Launchers: All the time Crossbow: All the time ADS CROUCH WalkingCloaked: Only weapons with stock attachment except LMG;s Uncloaked: Weapons w/o stock attachment and LMG's w/ stock
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 11:04:12 GMT -5
Hope I don't get into shit for a triple post, but I wanted to make a new post to bump this up and to give new insight. So I gave the QBB and LSAT a try yesterday. I'll post my initial reactions, but save my final verdicts until after I have Quickdraw unlocked (as, again, I tend to watch&defend as well as run&gun, even with LMGs): QBB:For the first 7 bullets, the HAMR fires as fast as the QBB (without RF, of course) with slightly more damage (not really noticeable) and better range. The range is something that I did notice along with what felt like a stronger recoil as well. My CQC battles were about the same as with the HAMR (assuming equal attachments), but my ranged encounters suffered more with sustained fire and just in general with needing one more bullet to kill on average. If I were to pick an LMG for a "CQC only" class, I'd probably pick the QBB with Rapid Fire. However, since I mix things up with LMGs, I'll probably stick with the HAMR for more CQC oriented encounters since it feels as if it has less recoil and becomes more accurate after those first bullets. LSAT:This one I liked a little more. Recoil felt very manageable, damage was decent at range and the RoF still felt decent for CQC encounters. As I said before, HAMR will be my go to LMG class in smaller maps (EG: Hijacked), but now I'm stuck between the MK48 and LSAT for my LMG for longer maps (EG: Carrier). Up really close, the LSAT is obviously the better choice because of the higher RoF, but at range I'm not quite sure which one I'd prefer. I'm curious how what the recoil is like between my options (QBB vs HAMR and MK48 vs LSAT)... Again, I'm giving both of them until Quickdraw and then will run a few games swapping between the two options and seeing which I like best. The fact that the QBB and MK48 are unlocked from 4 means that the QBB will probably be my CQC choice unless I decide to spend a Prestige token on the HAMR. So, I played with the LSAT and QBB some more, as well as swapping in the MK48 and HAMR here and there to get a feel for the difference between the two sets of LMGs. Basically, my two LMG classes are the exact same things (LMG + Quickdraw + TF + FHJ + Flak Jacket + Toughness + Dexterity + Frag + Shock Charge x2) where only the LMG itself changed. 1) MK48 vs LSAT: Which one do I prefer at long range? Which one is still viable enough at close range? 2) HAMR vs QBB: Which one do I prefer at close range? Which one is still viable enough at long range? For #1, it was a very decision to make... until I alternated using both (every time I died, I'd swap to the other one). In this case, I loved the MK48 and hated the LSAT. Sure, the increased RoF meant that it was more lethal up close, but at range that extra bullet or two was really noticeable. That, and the recoil for the LSAT felt like it was a lot more than the MK48's recoil. Since this comparison was mainly for a ranged role, I had to go with the MK48. Plus, the fact that it's unlocked with CAC at level 4 was also a big plus for it. For #2, it was a little harder to judge. At first, I liked the HAMR better. They have the same RoF for the HAMR's first 7 bullets, which meant that CQC was very good for the HAMR against a single target, and I could even pause the shots to keep that high RoF against multiple targets. The fact that the RoF slows down after the first 7 shots also meant that ranged aiming got better as the recoil lessened. Plus, on top of all that, the HAMR has better damage at range than the QBB does. I played with them and like the HAMR more at first. However, after I started alternating them, I noticed something: the recoil for the QBB, to me at least, didn't seem to be as bad as I expected and I actually preferred the fact that it kept it's RoF all the time. Plus with the option of Rapid Fire for better CQC (HAMR would only benefit from Rapid Fire AFTER the initial 7 bullets) or Grip for better range combat, I ended up liking the QBB more. Plus, as with the MK48, it's unlocked at the start. So, I just prestiged and am now playing with the MK48 and QBB as I used my Prestige Unlock Token for Flak Jacket, as that seemed to be the most important thing when playing Domination for me. Also on a side note: I accidentally entered a Hardcore TDM match which the QBB... I liked it. I think I might give the old Hardcore KC a try with a HAMR class at some point. Question though: is Flak Jacket useful in HC or is it not worth it? (don't know if it blocks more for HC like BO did)
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Post by exxtrooper on Dec 9, 2012 19:42:17 GMT -5
Honestly, is there any reason to use any LMG other then the LSAT w/target finder?
All the other LMGs seems to be good at one thing but has it's drawbacks, while the LSAT seems to be good all-around.
In terms of LMGs, the only one I see frequently used online is the LSAT, whenever I see someone using an LMG other then the LSAT it's either someone feeling ambitious or someone probably just trying it out once and then leaving it to collect dust.
I mean, there's a default class for it as well for people to try out with the amazing TF sight, once you've unlocked it yourself you're pretty much golden. ACR recoil across the map with 100 round mag and they all light up like a christmas tree, it's borderline op if you ask me.
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Post by bmac39 on Dec 9, 2012 21:06:47 GMT -5
I like the MK48 personally.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 22:48:12 GMT -5
Honestly, is there any reason to use any LMG other then the LSAT w/target finder? All the other LMGs seems to be good at one thing but has it's drawbacks, while the LSAT seems to be good all-around. In terms of LMGs, the only one I see frequently used online is the LSAT, whenever I see someone using an LMG other then the LSAT it's either someone feeling ambitious or someone probably just trying it out once and then leaving it to collect dust. I mean, there's a default class for it as well for people to try out with the amazing TF sight, once you've unlocked it yourself you're pretty much golden. ACR recoil across the map with 100 round mag and they all light up like a christmas tree, it's borderline op if you ask me. LSAT users are probably using the default class with it and just keep using it, IMO. Honestly: the MK48 is better at range, the QBB is better close and the HAMR is better in both potentially... I really hate the LSAT. >_>
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Post by mw2baller on Dec 9, 2012 23:34:02 GMT -5
The mk48 is best because it actually does LMG stuff well. So if you need to defend a point, the mk48 lets you keep your distance while getting 3 shot kills and fire as many bullets as needed. The LSAT is similar but worse at the job while the other 2 are for different purposes entirely. If you want to run and gun, an AR or SMG is much better than the QBB or HAMR.
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 9, 2012 23:50:54 GMT -5
The mk48 is best because it actually does LMG stuff well. So if you need to defend a point, the mk48 lets you keep your distance while getting 3 shot kills and fire as many bullets as needed. The LSAT is similar but worse at the job while the other 2 are for different purposes entirely. If you want to run and gun, an AR or SMG is much better than the QBB or HAMR. Meh, I'd rather run and gun with an LMG, as it has some extra perks: 1) It can still fill long ranged roles better 2) Better capacity 3) It makes people rage hard to have their Laser Silencer SMGs being beaten by a Quickdraw Target Finder QBB Point #3 is enough for me to do this, as I'd rather play Shotguns and LMGs (AKA, fun weapons) rather than play more boring SMGs and more boring ARs or try the camp/railgun fest that are SRs. I'm a bad player though and play for fun, despite going on awesome streaks here and there with my new favorite BO2 LMG: the QBB.
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 13:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by mastermarth on Dec 10, 2012 14:50:07 GMT -5
^ That for saying the QBB is my new favorite or for admitting that I play for fun and suck?
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Post by markopolo on Dec 10, 2012 15:43:55 GMT -5
^ That for saying the QBB is my new favorite or for admitting that I play for fun and suck? In yellow
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